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explode the bazaars are your e-ticket

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ride into the world of the paranoid

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strap yourself in as we traverse the

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universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

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ghosts Lost Worlds

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cryptozoology waters as well as other

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dimensions it's time to take back the

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night now your electrifying hosts of

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exploring the bizarre Timothy Begley and

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team sports Wow I'm really running out

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of breath it's hard to keep up with our

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guests running across the desert like

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this what's he running from well he he

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actually he's running with something

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something so odd and unusual he better

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hurry before that storm catches up with

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him come on slow your ass down and come

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and join me in the KC or our studio so

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we can talk about this over the air like

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sensible human beings but but but then

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who's a sensible human being amongst us

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anyway I know you're not and I'm

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question about whether I am or not but I

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think our guests for the evening

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probably are well let me let me climb

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onto the couch hiren and slow my ass

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down and you introduce our guest Tim

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well sure he ever have a beer Tim there

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you go oh yeah that's nice yeah just

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relax relax well I I take care of this

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part here well it's it's great that

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everyone is with us tonight on exploring

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the bizarre so I should say that we have

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an interesting show hopefully we'll end

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up having an interesting show because

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we're going to be talking about a

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possible alien artifacts

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so I mean that's that's an always

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fascinating subject so first off we have

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Harry Drew now Harry has has been on our

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show before and resides in Arizona and

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highly regarded for his professional

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ethic impeccable credentials and trusted

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results as an old-fashioned Indiana

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Jones type of researcher who takes his

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field work seriously and well he doesn't

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rely on assumptions and has the uncanny

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ability to ferret out the truth no

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matter how it's been distorted so now

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Harry he's known for his research in the

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Kingman UFO incident or actually

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incidents I think more than more than

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one and Harry has been associated with

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UFO community for many years and and

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worked with a Bob Brown as the official

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photographer for the International UFO

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Congress and film festival in Laughlin

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Nevada as well as with CC Stephens world

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mystery conference in Tempe Arizona yes

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yes Wendell Stevens daughter the terrain

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team very good old time a friend of ours

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that's right well and I think possibly

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you know more Tim about our other guests

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so perhaps you should make the

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introductions well well you know I

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the week's show I tried not to give the

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punchline away it's a very strange and

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odd case one of the the most peculiar

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artifact that he had located while

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listeners I would like him to tell the

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story himself I have not talked to John

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since 1980 and it is a really a bizarre

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about Tim the Roswell UFO a crash and

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deceased their alien bodies strewn

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little the proof and I know that Roswell

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fanatics will go for the jugular on this

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one very little proof that any of that

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come across some actual artifacts is

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talking about that it was material

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and apparently now he didn't give any

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direct references to which cases these

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found but some of them at least were

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highly unusual nature of these metals it

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that of what was the word that that he

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used more of the element and then has

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the past now in our book UFO hostilities

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that we just came out with we have a

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photograph of some metal that fell from

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the sky over yooba dooba brazil which

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reported being very very strange and if

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that they could of course get the the

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book there but I do want to start out

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with with Harry this evening and I want

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to start out by reading a clipping that

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he sent me and the clipping is dated

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Thursday June 29th 1950 and it's a very

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very peculiar a clipping news story and

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he's going to have to explain it there

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to us now Harry has been on previously

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and he we've talked about the UFO well

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he doesn't call him crashes but UFO

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incidents hard landings soft landings

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there in Kingman Arizona anyway let me

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progress by reading this short clipping

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it is estimated that 14,000 to 16,000

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acres have been burned over six cattle

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have been found burned to death and

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other cattle with burns which have been

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found are now being treated a total of

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government and county has been caused by

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the last that has been heard of that now

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let's bring in Harry and tell us tell us

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the story here exactly what happened

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before and during this incident before

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this incident well it all what's leading

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by mountain which is eight thousand two

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take and definitely a Mayberry sized

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establishment and this happened in on

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the 18th day of June 1950 and it started

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a fire and they actually got the fire

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smoldering coals weren't watched well

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enough and this thing took off with the

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and hits the mountain and where I am

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some distance from there and the fire

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began to rage enough that the Secretary

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emergency State help and the 158

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National Guard company H assigned to it

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there's still nothing to speak of and

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the captain had been up resupplying

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things that have to be hand carried by

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work crews to the fire was moving around

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into the mountain peaks and so it's all

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done by hand no helicopters no borate

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of that this is done with build big

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when you get them wet to beat the grass

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and and shovels of dirt to try to handle

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a forest fire you get a bulldozer and to

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cut a fire trail so he's coming back

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down the mountain and you pass what was

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a County Park is a county park still as

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it turns out and three men well some men

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turned out to be three flagged him down

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they were burned one of them severely

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they loaded him in the car one of them

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looked like he was going to expire put

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it in the back and the other two burned

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individuals set in the front with the

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captain do all my take us all the way to

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the hospital

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oh yeah definitely go for it okay

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there's 16 miles away roughly from the

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General Hospital which was here actually

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and they finally demolished the place

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right along old Beale Street and what we

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call old town kingman which six blocks

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of city six blocks

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no TV none of these things 1950 no

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hardly anything

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two roads by the way I'm gonna make this

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clear for all the storytellers out there

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who could get it straight route 66 pave

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1938 Kingman and highway 93 and one year

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before it was paved 1951 and the south

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side going to a place called wickiup was

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called old AZ 93 and it was a graded

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dirt road to Wikia and went from there

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to Wickenburg towards Phoenix and it was

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still a wagon road in 1950 so it's like

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not a highway at all so was that it's

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important to know how many roads because

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that figures into this really does so

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there the captain is going to take these

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three burned individuals down to the

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general hospital for medical attention

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because they're severely burned and just

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as they approach the hospital sitting

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out front it's a vehicle and the

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individual sitting on the extreme

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passenger side by the door and the

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well the only place you're going to get

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medical treatment for at least 50 miles

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is right in front of them and these are

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severely burned people or individuals

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they pulled up to a stop and these

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I'll let loose and my book because it's

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this is on today June 21 1950 and the

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only newspaper stories that came from

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this was on the 22nd and the 29 and each

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time there was less information until

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there's no information about what I'm

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telling you even about what some of the

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things they printed there it was gone

279
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taken out the captain pulled up and

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obviously he'd be wondering why why is

281
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there an ambulance parked out front and

282
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why would it be connected to three

283
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individuals in its vehicle and he had

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them the the two that were cautious

285
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sitting up he had to wait and he got out

286
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of the vehicle and he walked up to what

287
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looked like an ambulance and he leaned

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over to the driver and he stood over you

289
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and the driver said well I'm the

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ambulance driver

291
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I Drive the ambulance to wherever we

292
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have to go and the captain looked down

293
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through the window to the individual

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sitting in the passenger seat and he

295
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said well then who are you and he said

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all I'm an intern and I helped treat the

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patient while the ambulance is enroute

298
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and the captain you know it's like it's

299
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get a little Spacey at that point he

300
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accepted that and he walked back and he

301
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helped load the body of what he decided

302
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or determined was this other individual

303
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who had died during the transit coming

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down and then the ambulance pulled away

305
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and within a couple of minutes

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sheriff Porter Mojave County Sheriff

307
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come screeching up to a stop in his ford

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patrol car along with the undersheriff

309
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and he said did you spring the three men

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in to the hospital and the captain

311
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acknowledged she did and he said they

312
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just left in an ambulance and the

313
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sheriff looked at him

314
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said they left in an ambulance where

315
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would they go

316
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so whatever the sheriff's motivation was

317
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at that point this was the second time

318
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in his lifetime that I'm aware of from

319
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my research that something a really

320
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screwy had happened to him

321
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it would happen again in 1953 it

322
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happened the first time in 1947 a few

323
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days before Roswell okay

324
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another story now what what what did

325
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these these are was there anything

326
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peculiar about these individuals well

327
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their behavior was the the the two that

328
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were conscious or at least seem to be

329
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were far more alert and more attentive

330
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than they appeared to be when he picked

331
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them up you know his expectation was

332
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suffering a lot of pain and some of the

333
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other things associated with burn

334
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injuries and they were alert the other

335
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the other may individual I can't say man

336
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here have a tenancy because that's

337
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thinking like the captain did he had

338
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nothing to say okay

339
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and he remained silent and so he at that

340
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point in time he was led to believe or

341
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he imagined that he had three men and he

342
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picked him up at a kind of a flat area

343
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that's that sits back into the side of

344
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the mountain which is the park in and he

345
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was transferring people below the fire

346
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how they got there

347
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and remember this there's no telephones

348
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okay you couldn't call an ambulance

349
00:20:09,060 --> 00:20:06,559
we're talking about Kingman what was the

350
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population to Kingman at that time about

351
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2,800 people you know maybe on Saturday

352
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yeah or at all in town

353
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you know yes the six blocks of Kingman

354
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that's it and it was called bunch

355
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town and there were some isolated little

356
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farms and and not really ranches per se

357
00:20:33,900 --> 00:20:32,290
but some farms and so that I should go

358
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out because this is desert country and

359
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that was called string town because it

360
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was strung out so that was the

361
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designation from the time no phones on

362
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the Hualapai mountain okay no phones as

363
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such outside of Kingman other than

364
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battery-operated hand crank magneto type

365
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with a wire on an insulator nailed to a

366
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tree or whatever that came one of them

367
00:21:08,940 --> 00:21:05,770
came into town they had a real phone and

368
00:21:10,530 --> 00:21:08,950
then they had like a prefix you dial a

369
00:21:12,060 --> 00:21:10,540
prefix you know dial a number like you

370
00:21:15,570 --> 00:21:12,070
do today long number

371
00:21:17,430 --> 00:21:15,580
just a few and so somebody locally would

372
00:21:20,970 --> 00:21:17,440
take a call and then they could call

373
00:21:22,410 --> 00:21:20,980
Sarah out in the country and her ring is

374
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too long so to sort

375
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:24,550
oh yeah well we kind of had it like a

376
00:21:31,020 --> 00:21:27,610
party line oh yeah everybody yeah yeah

377
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:31,030
well we had that to grow to growing up

378
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to now you pay extra for for this a

379
00:21:41,700 --> 00:21:39,370
social media thing well hey wouldn't

380
00:21:44,210 --> 00:21:41,710
worry were they wearing I mean were they

381
00:21:46,380 --> 00:21:44,220
wearing any kind of protective you

382
00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:46,390
outfits or uniforms like you're the

383
00:21:51,990 --> 00:21:49,690
firefighters would have well no yeah yes

384
00:21:54,150 --> 00:21:52,000
or no they were wearing and and and

385
00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:54,160
we'll say this again later they're

386
00:21:58,740 --> 00:21:57,090
wearing some kind of coveralls

387
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[Music]

388
00:22:02,430 --> 00:22:00,880
you know coveralls weren't an unusual

389
00:22:05,190 --> 00:22:02,440
thing you know you see a lot of them

390
00:22:06,780 --> 00:22:05,200
were back then and they look like Levi's

391
00:22:08,460 --> 00:22:06,790
or something and they come up and

392
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:08,470
they've got a strap over the shoulder

393
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:10,810
with a big button or or something in the

394
00:22:18,300 --> 00:22:14,170
front oh yes yes yeah but it became more

395
00:22:23,540 --> 00:22:18,310
clear to me in 1953 with that and what a

396
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:23,550
reporter saw these were flight suits and

397
00:22:28,950 --> 00:22:27,250
but from the terminology back then you

398
00:22:30,990 --> 00:22:28,960
know it's like there's some kind of

399
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cover all nothing that could identify I

400
00:22:35,550 --> 00:22:33,610
guess you wouldn't be serious and

401
00:22:37,290 --> 00:22:35,560
Roebuck existed then

402
00:22:39,900 --> 00:22:37,300
if they happen to have a catalog but

403
00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:39,910
it'd be probably something not even

404
00:22:45,540 --> 00:22:43,600
another robot so there there would be no

405
00:22:47,100 --> 00:22:45,550
reason though why there would be an

406
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:47,110
ambulance waiting for them at the

407
00:22:52,650 --> 00:22:49,450
hospital correct that's right that's

408
00:22:56,670 --> 00:22:52,660
completely wrong that's completely wrong

409
00:23:00,950 --> 00:22:56,680
there are no the nearest town is needles

410
00:23:04,710 --> 00:23:00,960
California you know there's there's one

411
00:23:08,820 --> 00:23:04,720
individual who's an authority on kingman

412
00:23:10,620 --> 00:23:08,830
and he claims that you researched all

413
00:23:14,910 --> 00:23:10,630
the newspapers and within a hundred

414
00:23:17,730 --> 00:23:14,920
miles that came on even las vegas about

415
00:23:20,820 --> 00:23:17,740
any kind of UFO or anything going on in

416
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:20,830
1953 he couldn't find anything and i i

417
00:23:24,570 --> 00:23:23,170
thought that's an overwhelming task and

418
00:23:28,620 --> 00:23:24,580
of course i went and did that

419
00:23:30,930 --> 00:23:28,630
it was only two newspapers so was it

420
00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:30,940
nearly as tough and that versus its

421
00:23:33,990 --> 00:23:33,130
front-page story all right let me

422
00:23:35,250 --> 00:23:34,000
lemonade

423
00:23:37,590 --> 00:23:35,260
interrupt you here harry because we have

424
00:23:39,030 --> 00:23:37,600
to go to our bottom of our break when we

425
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:39,040
come back we'll continue this

426
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:41,290
interesting conversation on exploring

427
00:23:55,730 --> 00:23:53,150
now back to exploring the bazaar with

428
00:23:59,030 --> 00:23:55,740
two of the most electrifying researchers

429
00:24:03,520 --> 00:23:59,040
in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca

430
00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:07,220
well you know I am or I am all pumped up

431
00:24:13,580 --> 00:24:10,080
Tim you can't believe this is this is a

432
00:24:16,210 --> 00:24:13,590
this is a night night safari ax we have

433
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:16,220
of course a hairy a druid who tells the

434
00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:18,690
Magnificent experience that took place

435
00:24:28,730 --> 00:24:23,520
in kingman arizona and we have tonight

436
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:28,740
as a special guest John Peel now I first

437
00:24:36,730 --> 00:24:33,570
met John Peel it was either 1979 or 1980

438
00:24:39,980 --> 00:24:36,740
in Florida I was down there on a

439
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:39,990
promotional tour at the time I think I

440
00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:44,730
was editing UFO review our newspaper our

441
00:24:49,700 --> 00:24:47,130
tabloid and had a couple of books out

442
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:49,710
and so I would go around too long before

443
00:24:54,230 --> 00:24:52,050
Budd Hopkins and and Whitney troopers

444
00:24:56,360 --> 00:24:54,240
started you know promoting the in the

445
00:24:58,340 --> 00:24:56,370
field in fact when they got into it I

446
00:25:00,590 --> 00:24:58,350
kind of sort of backed out and let them

447
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:00,600
take over but I would travel around

448
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:03,450
collecting information and data and

449
00:25:08,870 --> 00:25:06,530
reports from different locations as I

450
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:08,880
visited different parts of the country

451
00:25:16,100 --> 00:25:13,530
and my friend Karen all I believe now if

452
00:25:19,250 --> 00:25:16,110
I get that John will have to correct me

453
00:25:21,230 --> 00:25:19,260
a few remembers was a student at one of

454
00:25:24,650 --> 00:25:21,240
the school's down there one of the

455
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:24,660
colleges and she had heard that somebody

456
00:25:31,610 --> 00:25:28,250
had something very unusual in their

457
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:31,620
possession and somehow I got a hold of

458
00:25:41,710 --> 00:25:35,850
John feels a phone number and called him

459
00:25:45,380 --> 00:25:41,720
and he invited me over to his house and

460
00:25:47,540 --> 00:25:45,390
showed me this well what I call an alien

461
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:47,550
the artifact I don't know what else you

462
00:25:51,890 --> 00:25:50,250
would you would call it and it took my

463
00:25:54,690 --> 00:25:51,900
breath away it was just something

464
00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:54,700
stunning because they're hidden

465
00:26:02,400 --> 00:25:57,970
bydd nothing like this before now I've

466
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:02,410
told the the incident several times and

467
00:26:08,460 --> 00:26:05,250
a couple people have commented to me oh

468
00:26:11,910 --> 00:26:08,470
you're making it up where's the artifact

469
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:11,920
and where is the witness because I have

470
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:15,850
not spoken to John Peel since that time

471
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:19,210
in 1980 and I finally found him on

472
00:26:27,450 --> 00:26:22,450
Facebook maybe a little over a year ago

473
00:26:29,970 --> 00:26:27,460
so I invited him on the show and so this

474
00:26:32,630 --> 00:26:29,980
is as far as I know maybe the first time

475
00:26:36,450 --> 00:26:32,640
John that you have actually aired your

476
00:26:38,730 --> 00:26:36,460
discovery it is the first time that I've

477
00:26:42,390 --> 00:26:38,740
done that you're right well good enough

478
00:26:45,230 --> 00:26:42,400
well why don't we go back to the I I

479
00:26:48,300 --> 00:26:45,240
tried not even in our little

480
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:48,310
introduction on the website tried to

481
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:50,170
have to give too much information I I

482
00:26:55,140 --> 00:26:52,690
presented it as a teaser why don't you

483
00:26:57,660 --> 00:26:55,150
go back to your your travels you were

484
00:27:00,450 --> 00:26:57,670
jogging well you were jogging across the

485
00:27:03,780 --> 00:27:00,460
California desert at that time correct

486
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:03,790
why don't you say it take us back to was

487
00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:08,050
this 1977 it was 77 and we don't jog we

488
00:27:18,750 --> 00:27:15,370
run never made it but it was actually an

489
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:18,760
Arizona we are long yeah yeah one of the

490
00:27:23,370 --> 00:27:20,890
many one of the many things we did on

491
00:27:26,120 --> 00:27:23,380
that run and it was from Daytona Beach

492
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:26,130
to Santa Monica but when we were

493
00:27:31,500 --> 00:27:29,050
approaching the Western and Texas side

494
00:27:33,870 --> 00:27:31,510
we were invited to go to Phoenix for the

495
00:27:37,350 --> 00:27:33,880
fiesta bowl marathon

496
00:27:39,900 --> 00:27:37,360
I was honored and pleased that they

497
00:27:41,790 --> 00:27:39,910
invited us but as I told them I really

498
00:27:44,100 --> 00:27:41,800
can't run in a 26 mile circle I'm

499
00:27:46,950 --> 00:27:44,110
running across the country so I needed

500
00:27:49,020 --> 00:27:46,960
to get you know we were averaging out 48

501
00:27:52,850 --> 00:27:49,030
miles a day so it was a little difficult

502
00:27:56,340 --> 00:27:52,860
to do it that way however I did go there

503
00:27:58,860 --> 00:27:56,350
we were like guest personalities and

504
00:28:01,170 --> 00:27:58,870
introduced you know ideas of how to

505
00:28:02,940 --> 00:28:01,180
stretch and whatever for health and

506
00:28:06,120 --> 00:28:02,950
nutrition that was what our goal was

507
00:28:07,350 --> 00:28:06,130
anyway but when we left there we didn't

508
00:28:09,630 --> 00:28:07,360
realize

509
00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:09,640
because we were running cross country we

510
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:11,200
did not realize that we had actually

511
00:28:20,220 --> 00:28:16,090
entered into some areas that were pretty

512
00:28:24,990 --> 00:28:20,230
much protected but no no real protection

513
00:28:27,900 --> 00:28:25,000
shall we say think protected you mean

514
00:28:31,100 --> 00:28:27,910
you mean like restricted area government

515
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:31,110
land yeah they were restricted area

516
00:28:38,130 --> 00:28:36,250
however it it was not restricted by any

517
00:28:41,909 --> 00:28:38,140
you know it's like the border wall we

518
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:41,919
don't have we saw that as we were

519
00:28:48,870 --> 00:28:45,690
leaving more than as we entered and so

520
00:28:53,039 --> 00:28:48,880
kind of neat things in Arizona and in

521
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:53,049
the desert literally running and we kind

522
00:28:56,490 --> 00:28:54,850
of separated Brian went his way and I

523
00:29:00,030 --> 00:28:56,500
went my way which we did many times

524
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:00,040
because when you run side by side with

525
00:29:03,810 --> 00:29:01,690
someone for that many days you kind of

526
00:29:05,700 --> 00:29:03,820
run out of things to say so you go in

527
00:29:08,310 --> 00:29:05,710
different ways and you discuss it later

528
00:29:08,940 --> 00:29:08,320
well how many miles are you covering in

529
00:29:14,970 --> 00:29:08,950
a day

530
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:14,980
the average was 48 I mean the longest

531
00:29:22,169 --> 00:29:18,490
day was 68 but the average was 48 miles

532
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:22,179
a day well that's pretty good I mean I'm

533
00:29:26,610 --> 00:29:24,730
not a runner at all in fact these days I

534
00:29:29,310 --> 00:29:26,620
have a hard time making it to the post

535
00:29:31,020 --> 00:29:29,320
office but I'll be talking about running

536
00:29:33,750 --> 00:29:31,030
across the desert there's a lot of sand

537
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:33,760
there and usually sand is pretty hard to

538
00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:37,690
run in or even walk in well actually the

539
00:29:43,740 --> 00:29:40,480
deserts when it's dry is pretty easy to

540
00:29:45,510 --> 00:29:43,750
run on the coolest part there were road

541
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:45,520
runners that would literally run beside

542
00:29:53,539 --> 00:29:50,890
you but you know it was kind of fun but

543
00:29:58,799 --> 00:29:53,549
what happened was I came up on a

544
00:30:02,310 --> 00:29:58,809
railroad track that can look like a

545
00:30:04,740 --> 00:30:02,320
roller coaster ride it was pulled up out

546
00:30:07,350 --> 00:30:04,750
and because the way railroads are

547
00:30:11,789 --> 00:30:07,360
connected to you know one one rail to

548
00:30:14,669 --> 00:30:11,799
the next it literally made loops and it

549
00:30:17,250 --> 00:30:14,679
was quite bizarre and I did not know

550
00:30:19,340 --> 00:30:17,260
what I was seeing at the time and still

551
00:30:22,549 --> 00:30:19,350
not 100% sure

552
00:30:25,549 --> 00:30:22,559
I went over towards that and started

553
00:30:29,659 --> 00:30:25,559
following it and at one point I came up

554
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:29,669
on a large what looked at me and I'm I'm

555
00:30:36,590 --> 00:30:32,610
a fighter pilot so I say this with some

556
00:30:40,940 --> 00:30:36,600
knowledge I saw what looked like a wing

557
00:30:43,340 --> 00:30:40,950
but it was extremely thin and even

558
00:30:46,340 --> 00:30:43,350
though it was about eight feet long I

559
00:30:48,919 --> 00:30:46,350
could literally use two fingers and from

560
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:48,929
the end hold it horizontally with no

561
00:30:53,419 --> 00:30:51,120
problems it was that light but it was

562
00:30:54,649 --> 00:30:53,429
that strong I mean I tried to bend it

563
00:30:56,570 --> 00:30:54,659
you could bend it but you couldn't

564
00:31:00,380 --> 00:30:56,580
really I wasn't trying to break it but I

565
00:31:04,549 --> 00:31:00,390
was just testing it I started to look

566
00:31:07,310 --> 00:31:04,559
around I found other little what I'll

567
00:31:13,340 --> 00:31:07,320
call remnants of what was an obvious

568
00:31:15,850 --> 00:31:13,350
crash and at a certain point looking at

569
00:31:19,460 --> 00:31:15,860
all these things I mean there was

570
00:31:24,110 --> 00:31:19,470
Plexiglas and and it really was more

571
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:24,120
like probably a carbon glass because you

572
00:31:30,230 --> 00:31:26,610
couldn't break it however it had

573
00:31:34,039 --> 00:31:30,240
shattered from impact into the rocks in

574
00:31:35,930 --> 00:31:34,049
the desert but you could pick up a piece

575
00:31:37,730 --> 00:31:35,940
of it and you could not break it I

576
00:31:39,020 --> 00:31:37,740
didn't bring any of that I was a little

577
00:31:40,789 --> 00:31:39,030
bit concerned that this might be

578
00:31:46,820 --> 00:31:40,799
radioactive I didn't know what I was

579
00:31:51,529 --> 00:31:46,830
dealing with and then I found the gloves

580
00:31:54,260 --> 00:31:51,539
and you have in your book mj-12

581
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:54,270
and the riddle of hangar 18 you have a

582
00:32:00,110 --> 00:31:57,330
picture of that glove yes I I wish I

583
00:32:02,899 --> 00:32:00,120
could find the hey I took quite a few

584
00:32:04,490 --> 00:32:02,909
photos I think we put the the glove

585
00:32:06,980 --> 00:32:04,500
while we compared the glove to a dollar

586
00:32:10,460 --> 00:32:06,990
bill and then we put it in your your

587
00:32:13,340 --> 00:32:10,470
hand and I know I took other photographs

588
00:32:16,850 --> 00:32:13,350
and they are here somewhere but I have

589
00:32:19,700 --> 00:32:16,860
50 file drawers of data and information

590
00:32:24,649 --> 00:32:19,710
and I know that at some point I will

591
00:32:28,220 --> 00:32:24,659
come in contact with them but okay hey

592
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:28,230
so you found an artifact I mean the is

593
00:32:32,629 --> 00:32:29,970
there any other word we could use her is

594
00:32:37,639 --> 00:32:35,060
an artifact is good because what that

595
00:32:40,460 --> 00:32:37,649
was and and who had a later time and I

596
00:32:43,690 --> 00:32:40,470
told you this when you met me down here

597
00:32:47,509 --> 00:32:43,700
at the time there were two of them and

598
00:32:49,340 --> 00:32:47,519
so not again not knowing if it was

599
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:49,350
radioactive and if I was going to have

600
00:32:55,639 --> 00:32:50,970
to at some point just get rid of this

601
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:55,649
thing I took one and put it into I mean

602
00:33:02,779 --> 00:32:58,559
it's a desert so it makes I think it

603
00:33:05,899 --> 00:33:02,789
would still be there but it was I put it

604
00:33:10,009 --> 00:33:05,909
into a little bit of a cavern under some

605
00:33:13,039 --> 00:33:10,019
rocks and of course the markings that I

606
00:33:17,839 --> 00:33:13,049
did wouldn't be there now but I visually

607
00:33:19,580 --> 00:33:17,849
had things that I still remember and I

608
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:19,590
brought the one that was in the worst

609
00:33:23,389 --> 00:33:21,690
condition because I thought if I have to

610
00:33:25,549 --> 00:33:23,399
get rid of it I would rather have the

611
00:33:27,589 --> 00:33:25,559
good condition one back here I probably

612
00:33:28,639 --> 00:33:27,599
in retrospect since it worked out and I

613
00:33:29,539 --> 00:33:28,649
didn't have to throw it away I should

614
00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:29,549
have brought the good one

615
00:33:39,409 --> 00:33:33,840
however the glove was made of some sort

616
00:33:42,469 --> 00:33:39,419
of a hide it had a pressure valve on the

617
00:33:43,089 --> 00:33:42,479
outside on the back above the back side

618
00:33:47,269 --> 00:33:43,099
of the hand

619
00:33:50,479 --> 00:33:47,279
the zipper literally worked from the

620
00:33:53,810 --> 00:33:50,489
inside of the glove it had something

621
00:33:57,469 --> 00:33:53,820
very similar to Nomex which is what we

622
00:34:00,109 --> 00:33:57,479
had as our you know gloves that if there

623
00:34:01,369 --> 00:34:00,119
was a fire of Nomex would not that it

624
00:34:07,039 --> 00:34:01,379
would keep you from burning but it

625
00:34:10,579 --> 00:34:07,049
wouldn't melt on you and the size as you

626
00:34:12,919 --> 00:34:10,589
have pictured there it was so small

627
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:12,929
there's no way that it could have been a

628
00:34:19,069 --> 00:34:17,010
human hand and the way the thumb was it

629
00:34:21,950 --> 00:34:19,079
was a prehensile thumb but it was quite

630
00:34:24,770 --> 00:34:21,960
separated from the fingers so it was

631
00:34:27,260 --> 00:34:24,780
very interesting that glove I actually

632
00:34:30,409 --> 00:34:27,270
had some people from NASA take a look at

633
00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:30,419
and didn't think I was ever going to get

634
00:34:34,879 --> 00:34:31,919
it back but they did bring it back to me

635
00:34:37,659 --> 00:34:34,889
and they said they could not they could

636
00:34:41,329 --> 00:34:37,669
not determine the origin of the glove

637
00:34:44,539 --> 00:34:41,339
now if I recall it correctly John were

638
00:34:45,770 --> 00:34:44,549
you not set to show that club in a

639
00:34:50,899 --> 00:34:45,780
public

640
00:34:54,409 --> 00:34:50,909
the opening of Close Encounters yes okay

641
00:34:56,119 --> 00:34:54,419
and and what happened there I'm not

642
00:34:58,490 --> 00:34:56,129
really sure what happened you know this

643
00:35:01,670 --> 00:34:58,500
was before the age of cell phones and

644
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:01,680
internet and all the other things but it

645
00:35:09,950 --> 00:35:05,010
it did not you know there was some some

646
00:35:11,980 --> 00:35:09,960
filming but it didn't happen there were

647
00:35:16,370 --> 00:35:11,990
several things that happen from the run

648
00:35:18,140 --> 00:35:16,380
the story of Forrest Gump they came and

649
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:18,150
interviewed me in California then they

650
00:35:23,450 --> 00:35:21,050
came to my location here in Florida

651
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:23,460
interviewed me a quite a few times

652
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:27,210
promised me the moon never delivered any

653
00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:29,370
of that did make a nice movie and it's

654
00:35:33,230 --> 00:35:31,440
quite popular and in fact in a lot of

655
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:33,240
places people call me Forrest Gump

656
00:35:40,070 --> 00:35:37,050
because I used the articles from my run

657
00:35:42,050 --> 00:35:40,080
when I give talks on health and

658
00:35:45,110 --> 00:35:42,060
nutrition and motivation and inspiration

659
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:45,120
so that's kind of a nickname that

660
00:35:51,620 --> 00:35:47,010
they've given me on all kinds of things

661
00:35:54,620 --> 00:35:51,630
but the the beauty of that glove was it

662
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:54,630
was so unique and I wasn't trying to do

663
00:35:59,090 --> 00:35:56,970
I mean in other words I wasn't trying to

664
00:36:01,820 --> 00:35:59,100
gain anything from it I was trying to

665
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:01,830
share the glove I mean it wasn't like I

666
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:07,170
was trying to make a million bucks on

667
00:36:11,150 --> 00:36:09,570
the glove I I was so impressed with it

668
00:36:15,250 --> 00:36:11,160
and it was so shared and what we were

669
00:36:17,870 --> 00:36:15,260
doing was trying to raise money for

670
00:36:20,390 --> 00:36:17,880
health and nutrition companies you know

671
00:36:23,030 --> 00:36:20,400
Linus Pauling and Barclays Health

672
00:36:27,380 --> 00:36:23,040
Institute and a few others so it wasn't

673
00:36:30,020 --> 00:36:27,390
a matter of any of that so I you know in

674
00:36:32,990 --> 00:36:30,030
retrospect I I probably should have

675
00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:33,000
handled it differently but it was not a

676
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:37,680
part of the plan so it it wasn't and it

677
00:36:42,350 --> 00:36:40,170
it's just an impressive glove I mean

678
00:36:44,450 --> 00:36:42,360
when you hold it it's like you

679
00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:44,460
understand that it is not from Planet

680
00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:44,730
Earth

681
00:36:50,690 --> 00:36:47,760
I mean you can't look at that and see

682
00:36:54,740 --> 00:36:50,700
how it was made and see how detailed

683
00:36:56,990 --> 00:36:54,750
everything is and yet there's no hand

684
00:37:01,520 --> 00:36:57,000
that would fit it that could be used for

685
00:37:04,220 --> 00:37:01,530
any particular reason that we know I

686
00:37:08,450 --> 00:37:04,230
mean well there is there there is a

687
00:37:18,140 --> 00:37:08,460
punch slide for the glove what is

688
00:37:19,460 --> 00:37:18,150
embroidered in the glove yes would you

689
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:19,470
say embroidered you're not talking about

690
00:37:23,330 --> 00:37:22,170
words right yes words yeah well I don't

691
00:37:24,830 --> 00:37:23,340
know I don't know whether it was written

692
00:37:27,710 --> 00:37:24,840
now you know I don't know how I don't

693
00:37:31,180 --> 00:37:27,720
remember how it was put there but but

694
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:31,190
yeah it was basically like I heat him

695
00:37:39,950 --> 00:37:36,690
implant in the inside the glove was a

696
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:39,960
bladder a pressure bladder that was what

697
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:42,330
that valve on the back of the hand was

698
00:37:47,180 --> 00:37:44,970
so that if someone put that on their

699
00:37:49,850 --> 00:37:47,190
hand they could keep pressure on their

700
00:37:55,570 --> 00:37:49,860
hand in an outer space environment where

701
00:37:59,000 --> 00:37:55,580
there was zero pressure inside that

702
00:38:01,220 --> 00:37:59,010
bladder below them you know between the

703
00:38:04,460 --> 00:38:01,230
bladder the bladder was right below the

704
00:38:07,910 --> 00:38:04,470
leather and then below that was the

705
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:07,920
Nomex interior lining and there were

706
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:09,570
several things that were written but

707
00:38:15,620 --> 00:38:11,520
they're not were not letters that I

708
00:38:17,570 --> 00:38:15,630
could actually read it was there were

709
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:17,580
emblems and I'm sure that someone could

710
00:38:23,660 --> 00:38:20,130
read them at some planetary level but I

711
00:38:28,610 --> 00:38:23,670
don't know exactly what they were but it

712
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:28,620
was it was just it was a phenomenal find

713
00:38:36,050 --> 00:38:30,450
I mean I don't even know how else to

714
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:36,060
describe it except to say that well was

715
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:38,610
what was the word the word that was

716
00:38:44,410 --> 00:38:41,490
imprinted there that you could read the

717
00:38:47,660 --> 00:38:44,420
only one that I could read was secure

718
00:38:50,990 --> 00:38:47,670
that was okay wasn't the word large

719
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:51,000
there yes it was large you're right that

720
00:38:59,210 --> 00:38:54,410
had that too and if so in other words

721
00:39:02,480 --> 00:38:59,220
whatever race this came from my glove

722
00:39:06,530 --> 00:39:02,490
that would have been one-third the size

723
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:06,540
of my hand roughly maybe 40% at the most

724
00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:08,370
yeah yeah and and the dollar bill was

725
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:11,440
bigger than the the glove or just about

726
00:39:18,150 --> 00:39:14,170
longer than it well that boggles that

727
00:39:20,430 --> 00:39:18,160
boggles the mind I mean okay even if it

728
00:39:23,460 --> 00:39:20,440
were possible that a glove could shrink

729
00:39:28,020 --> 00:39:23,470
and I'm asked o j-- a Simpson that

730
00:39:32,940 --> 00:39:28,030
perhaps but what's up or ooj alien maybe

731
00:39:35,370 --> 00:39:32,950
but were yeah well I mean like it can't

732
00:39:38,790 --> 00:39:35,380
shrink that much and and even though

733
00:39:41,190 --> 00:39:38,800
even they first of all you say ballet it

734
00:39:45,450 --> 00:39:41,200
did that fit the description of what a

735
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:45,460
primate water could have worn but even

736
00:39:50,370 --> 00:39:48,370
if it was how could you unzip it from

737
00:39:53,460 --> 00:39:50,380
the inside

738
00:39:56,850 --> 00:39:53,470
yeah unless you could turn it inside out

739
00:40:01,170 --> 00:39:56,860
or something to that to that effect it

740
00:40:05,210 --> 00:40:01,180
actually owned the only zipper which was

741
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:05,220
only inside there was a pole lanyard so

742
00:40:12,060 --> 00:40:09,370
you could use that language pull it on

743
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:12,070
and it kind of had the effect you know

744
00:40:16,470 --> 00:40:14,290
at the time velcro wasn't something we

745
00:40:18,930 --> 00:40:16,480
really had we don't have it I don't know

746
00:40:20,610 --> 00:40:18,940
flightless but it wasn't something that

747
00:40:24,300 --> 00:40:20,620
everybody thought about but it had

748
00:40:26,370 --> 00:40:24,310
something similar to velcro so that for

749
00:40:29,130 --> 00:40:26,380
example you could put a flight suit on

750
00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:29,140
it and velcro it to it but prior to

751
00:40:35,130 --> 00:40:30,730
doing that you could use that pole

752
00:40:39,210 --> 00:40:35,140
lanyard and close it up well now don't

753
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:39,220
you well IIIi agree more than the pretty

754
00:40:46,650 --> 00:40:43,450
impressive darn right in impressive I

755
00:40:49,500 --> 00:40:46,660
would say in in this field you know like

756
00:40:51,210 --> 00:40:49,510
I say you physical evidence a hard

757
00:40:54,270 --> 00:40:51,220
physical evidence is something like an

758
00:40:59,040 --> 00:40:54,280
alien artifact is almost impossible to

759
00:41:01,560 --> 00:40:59,050
to come by and always in dispute I mean

760
00:41:04,140 --> 00:41:01,570
there were something so strange and so

761
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:04,150
peculiar about this that it almost a

762
00:41:11,700 --> 00:41:08,410
sense the chills up and down one's spine

763
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:11,710
but okay so here's the here's the glove

764
00:41:16,650 --> 00:41:14,410
we don't know who it belong

765
00:41:18,930 --> 00:41:16,660
belonged to but wouldn't you think that

766
00:41:20,190 --> 00:41:18,940
might indicate since the the words are

767
00:41:22,410 --> 00:41:20,200
at least one of them are two of them

768
00:41:25,230 --> 00:41:22,420
were in English

769
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:25,240
it had five fingers correct it had five

770
00:41:32,190 --> 00:41:27,490
fingers four fingers and a thumb yeah

771
00:41:34,289 --> 00:41:32,200
okay that I mean what an alien race be

772
00:41:36,930 --> 00:41:34,299
that close to us that they would have a

773
00:41:40,049 --> 00:41:36,940
glove and have four fingers and

774
00:41:42,030 --> 00:41:40,059
something else it would indicate to me

775
00:41:44,190 --> 00:41:42,040
that we might be talking about something

776
00:41:46,190 --> 00:41:44,200
from the future or something from a

777
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:46,200
parallel universe

778
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:49,210
you know I've certainly given a parallel

779
00:41:53,010 --> 00:41:49,690
universe

780
00:41:58,920 --> 00:41:53,020
many many many thoughts the idea of an

781
00:42:01,319 --> 00:41:58,930
alien is truly when I was holding this

782
00:42:04,319 --> 00:42:01,329
club then first of all it there were two

783
00:42:06,980 --> 00:42:04,329
of them so one was almost perfect the

784
00:42:10,049 --> 00:42:06,990
other one had gotten a little bit

785
00:42:12,990 --> 00:42:10,059
obviously from the crash it had gotten a

786
00:42:15,839 --> 00:42:13,000
little bit not really burned but it had

787
00:42:18,089 --> 00:42:15,849
been heated and altered and that's the

788
00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:18,099
one that I brought but the other one was

789
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:21,520
nearly perfect and so they were

790
00:42:26,819 --> 00:42:23,530
basically the same size so it didn't

791
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:26,829
shrink unless they both shrank at the

792
00:42:31,470 --> 00:42:29,290
same time which I somewhat doubt that

793
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:31,480
could happen to me maybe maybe a few

794
00:42:36,240 --> 00:42:33,130
percent from the heat but I couldn't

795
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:36,250
imagine but what it seemed to me you

796
00:42:43,559 --> 00:42:40,650
know when you anytime you see even from

797
00:42:46,260 --> 00:42:43,569
any of the movies where they show the

798
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:46,270
little alien creatures and whatever back

799
00:42:54,390 --> 00:42:50,170
you know all that it's always like they

800
00:42:56,549 --> 00:42:54,400
show the fingers that are longer and the

801
00:43:01,770 --> 00:42:56,559
films are further apart the pencil some

802
00:43:05,339 --> 00:43:01,780
is further back and so it it really

803
00:43:07,859 --> 00:43:05,349
looked like that sort of a small hand

804
00:43:11,339 --> 00:43:07,869
with fingers that were large for the

805
00:43:16,349 --> 00:43:11,349
hand although small for the overall it

806
00:43:18,390 --> 00:43:16,359
was just even just to hold it and I have

807
00:43:21,839 --> 00:43:18,400
been meditating since I was 11 and

808
00:43:24,599 --> 00:43:21,849
energy is very critical in meditation

809
00:43:26,010 --> 00:43:24,609
you you hold that glove and you could

810
00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:26,020
feel it I don't know if you remember

811
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:28,480
that but even after all I it had been

812
00:43:34,799 --> 00:43:31,290
through when you held that glove it had

813
00:43:35,950 --> 00:43:34,809
like an energy of its own it was well

814
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:35,960
we've got a break

815
00:43:40,900 --> 00:43:40,490
if we have a few minutes here okay now

816
00:43:43,870 --> 00:43:40,910
all right

817
00:43:46,410 --> 00:43:43,880
so this is like I figured this for one

818
00:43:49,870 --> 00:43:46,420
of the strangest things that I've ever

819
00:43:54,970 --> 00:43:49,880
come across and I haven't talked to you

820
00:43:58,600 --> 00:43:54,980
since 1979 or 1990s a heck of a span do

821
00:44:01,420 --> 00:43:58,610
you still have the glove unfortunately I

822
00:44:06,340 --> 00:44:01,430
believe that the glove

823
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:06,350
I had a divorce and it wasn't a as

824
00:44:09,490 --> 00:44:08,810
divorces aren't they weren't it wasn't

825
00:44:12,220 --> 00:44:09,500
very good

826
00:44:15,670 --> 00:44:12,230
and a lot of things disappeared and I'm

827
00:44:19,270 --> 00:44:15,680
pretty sure that went with the ex she

828
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:19,280
says not but I'm pretty sure that's

829
00:44:24,910 --> 00:44:23,330
where it is I have been wanting to go

830
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:24,920
back I have so many friends who say

831
00:44:32,410 --> 00:44:28,810
let's get the other one and I have not

832
00:44:34,420 --> 00:44:32,420
but I you know what you know do you know

833
00:44:35,650 --> 00:44:34,430
where it is I don't don't tell us the

834
00:44:38,500 --> 00:44:35,660
closest town because there'll be a

835
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:38,510
hundred people out there too tomorrow

836
00:44:43,630 --> 00:44:41,810
but but do you know what did you ever do

837
00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:43,640
any research on that on that railroad

838
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:46,730
trestle or whatever that was no because

839
00:44:51,100 --> 00:44:48,170
at the time like I said we had no

840
00:44:53,650 --> 00:44:51,110
internet we had you know nothing that

841
00:44:54,820 --> 00:44:53,660
you could really do a search on however

842
00:45:05,710 --> 00:44:54,830
I

843
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:05,720
there

844
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:07,520
well you know we have on the other on

845
00:45:13,990 --> 00:45:10,010
the other line here a man who lives or

846
00:45:15,670 --> 00:45:14,000
our fellow guest who lives in Arizona I

847
00:45:18,550 --> 00:45:15,680
don't know how far that would be a way

848
00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:18,560
he's in the town of Kingman how far that

849
00:45:26,740 --> 00:45:22,250
would be away but maybe we can put out a

850
00:45:29,410 --> 00:45:26,750
message to the universe to collect a few

851
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:29,420
dollars towards transportation unless

852
00:45:41,950 --> 00:45:38,570
you want to run if we could find a good

853
00:45:45,250 --> 00:45:41,960
charity to do it to give the funds to

854
00:45:47,950 --> 00:45:45,260
but you know I mean we should find the

855
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:47,960
the other the other glove before it

856
00:45:53,530 --> 00:45:49,850
dissolves with the

857
00:45:56,290 --> 00:45:53,540
you know with the the sand and the the

858
00:45:59,320 --> 00:45:56,300
ages and and so forth

859
00:46:02,050 --> 00:45:59,330
but now was it was the object the crash

860
00:46:06,580 --> 00:46:02,060
whatever it was I mean do you feel that

861
00:46:08,710 --> 00:46:06,590
that was something from outer space well

862
00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:08,720
I can tell you that knowing a lot about

863
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:14,480
aviation we don't have any the Plexiglas

864
00:46:19,780 --> 00:46:17,210
and I think probably in retrospect it

865
00:46:25,540 --> 00:46:19,790
was wasn't Plexiglas it would probably

866
00:46:28,420 --> 00:46:25,550
be more like like a metal impregnated

867
00:46:30,850 --> 00:46:28,430
plastic but you couldn't break it it was

868
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:30,860
blue which we don't use in our aircraft

869
00:46:39,550 --> 00:46:36,770
windows it was the the wing portion that

870
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:39,560
I found like I said it was probably

871
00:46:43,510 --> 00:46:41,810
somewhere around six or seven maybe

872
00:46:46,150 --> 00:46:43,520
eight feet long I don't remember exactly

873
00:46:48,250 --> 00:46:46,160
now because I never had a measuring

874
00:46:53,100 --> 00:46:48,260
device with me but I I know that it was

875
00:46:57,490 --> 00:46:53,110
taller than me and it was so strong that

876
00:47:00,820 --> 00:46:57,500
literally I put it between two rocks and

877
00:47:03,070 --> 00:47:00,830
I sat on it it didn't it would a little

878
00:47:06,610 --> 00:47:03,080
bit but it didn't didn't collapse I

879
00:47:09,340 --> 00:47:06,620
could hold it by using two fingers on

880
00:47:16,090 --> 00:47:09,350
one end I could hold it at a horizontal

881
00:47:19,770 --> 00:47:16,100
position and yet it was that size so you

882
00:47:23,020 --> 00:47:19,780
know we have the our wings are made with

883
00:47:27,340 --> 00:47:23,030
you know we have titanium we have all

884
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:27,350
sorts of materials that are making it

885
00:47:30,460 --> 00:47:30,050
strong but yet light but nothing like

886
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:30,470
that

887
00:47:35,830 --> 00:47:34,130
nothing at all inhale now you saw just

888
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:35,840
the the wind or do you think that was

889
00:47:40,150 --> 00:47:38,330
the entire object oh there was other

890
00:47:42,250 --> 00:47:40,160
pieces there bersama

891
00:47:45,550 --> 00:47:42,260
I put alright a majority of the ones a

892
00:47:48,850 --> 00:47:45,560
nice cup linked in to the same place

893
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:48,860
that I put the glove break we've got a

894
00:47:53,230 --> 00:47:51,410
break here and we'll be back in just a

895
00:47:53,660 --> 00:47:53,240
few minutes with our two guests for the

896
00:48:01,060 --> 00:47:53,670
evening

897
00:48:01,070 --> 00:48:05,800
[Music]

898
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:10,310
explore the bazaars our or e-ticket ride

899
00:48:16,070 --> 00:48:12,770
into the world of the paranoid

900
00:48:20,380 --> 00:48:16,080
strap yourself in as we traverse the

901
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:20,390
universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

902
00:48:28,970 --> 00:48:24,810
ghosts Lost Worlds cryptozoology waters

903
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:28,980
as well as other dimensions it's time to

904
00:48:35,720 --> 00:48:33,450
take back the night now your

905
00:48:43,030 --> 00:48:35,730
electrifying hosts of exploring the

906
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:45,680
all right welcome back to the second

907
00:48:50,570 --> 00:48:47,610
hour of exploring the bizarre I'm Tim

908
00:48:55,700 --> 00:48:50,580
Schwarz tonight our guests are Harry

909
00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:55,710
Drew and John Peel and Harry in in just

910
00:49:00,280 --> 00:48:57,690
a little bit I I know that you probably

911
00:49:03,830 --> 00:49:00,290
have some some great questions to ask

912
00:49:05,780 --> 00:49:03,840
John or other guests but you know I just

913
00:49:07,250 --> 00:49:05,790
I wanted to ask you just a couple of

914
00:49:12,170 --> 00:49:07,260
things about the story that you were

915
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:12,180
saying about the the the burnt men in in

916
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:19,130
kingman now this was not the first time

917
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:23,970
that there had been some kind of out of

918
00:49:30,460 --> 00:49:28,050
out of the place men in that area by

919
00:49:33,530 --> 00:49:30,470
correct that's correct

920
00:49:37,430 --> 00:49:33,540
what's uh what was the what was the

921
00:49:43,490 --> 00:49:37,440
story that had happened a few years

922
00:49:45,410 --> 00:49:43,500
earlier was like it was a 1947 yes okay

923
00:49:48,380 --> 00:49:45,420
why don't you tell us about that wood

924
00:49:50,570 --> 00:49:48,390
and and and whether or not you feel that

925
00:49:53,990 --> 00:49:50,580
there's any connection between the two

926
00:49:57,650 --> 00:49:54,000
there's an acident there is it there's a

927
00:50:00,380 --> 00:49:57,660
connection with what the three separate

928
00:50:10,700 --> 00:50:06,400
the 1947 1950 in 1953 and and maybe 54

929
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:10,710
mm-hmm looks like and I'm interviewing

930
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:13,530
someone right now a century family

931
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:19,770
member for 1952 so it's like I can't

932
00:50:24,710 --> 00:50:20,370
keep up

933
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:24,720
I didn't expect really to find the thing

934
00:50:34,730 --> 00:50:28,290
for 53 but I found more than I could

935
00:50:40,690 --> 00:50:34,740
believe anyway 1947 before Roswell in

936
00:50:45,470 --> 00:50:43,700
two men are coming back from Las Vegas

937
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:45,480
they've been at a business meeting and

938
00:50:51,740 --> 00:50:49,290
of they're on a private aircraft to

939
00:50:55,610 --> 00:50:51,750
passenger the pilots a businessman and

940
00:50:58,370 --> 00:50:55,620
his partner there are 600 feet above the

941
00:51:00,680 --> 00:50:58,380
ground they're on approached to the

942
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:00,690
airport at Kingman which is no longer a

943
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:01,890
military base

944
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:07,290
it closed forever on August 1945 Army

945
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:10,290
Air Corps left and it was handed over to

946
00:51:17,390 --> 00:51:12,330
Mojave County so they're coming into the

947
00:51:23,060 --> 00:51:17,400
airport and they're set upon by multiple

948
00:51:26,060 --> 00:51:23,070
UFOs to the point the pilot was flashing

949
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:26,070
his lights trying to get the craft if

950
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:32,090
you're off and they didn't and they both

951
00:51:36,850 --> 00:51:34,050
expected that they were going to die

952
00:51:38,980 --> 00:51:36,860
they were having air to ground

953
00:51:41,810 --> 00:51:38,990
communications with the Radio Shack

954
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:41,820
because the tower had been closed since

955
00:51:46,610 --> 00:51:45,210
June of 1945 and everything that was in

956
00:51:49,550 --> 00:51:46,620
the tower had been removed including

957
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:49,560
that radar p IP screens and the whole

958
00:51:55,220 --> 00:51:51,210
thing was just piled in a pile and

959
00:51:59,540 --> 00:51:55,230
destroyed and so they had a radio shack

960
00:52:03,650 --> 00:51:59,550
and the two guys in the planes heap the

961
00:52:08,950 --> 00:52:03,660
the pilot broke off from his approach on

962
00:52:13,700 --> 00:52:08,960
landing and two of these discs

963
00:52:15,410 --> 00:52:13,710
came straight at him and and then and

964
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:15,420
I'm trying to think of the movie I saw

965
00:52:23,299 --> 00:52:19,170
this and later you have to remember this

966
00:52:25,579 --> 00:52:23,309
is in the 1947 newspaper okay so it

967
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:25,589
isn't like they saw the movie 30 years

968
00:52:35,299 --> 00:52:30,650
later and and and just before impact

969
00:52:36,859 --> 00:52:35,309
each disc went out away from them and

970
00:52:39,130 --> 00:52:36,869
then closed back up again as they went

971
00:52:45,259 --> 00:52:39,140
by mmm just like that

972
00:52:48,829 --> 00:52:45,269
this is front page and the Sparky or

973
00:52:53,210 --> 00:52:48,839
whoever they're at the Radio Shack got

974
00:52:57,529 --> 00:52:53,220
ahold of a local reporter and it wasn't

975
00:52:59,620 --> 00:52:57,539
that big of a deal to drive out and so

976
00:53:01,549 --> 00:52:59,630
there was a reporter on the ground

977
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:01,559
trying to talk to these guys when they

978
00:53:05,809 --> 00:53:04,170
finally they finally came around and

979
00:53:08,150 --> 00:53:05,819
made the approach again and landed and

980
00:53:10,519 --> 00:53:08,160
it's almost like kiss the ground then

981
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:10,529
they started asking did you say that's

982
00:53:18,469 --> 00:53:13,410
that few no it's like oh my god yes but

983
00:53:21,890 --> 00:53:18,479
these things came from for us here they

984
00:53:25,749 --> 00:53:21,900
came from the southeast the east okay

985
00:53:29,299 --> 00:53:25,759
and the significance there is I see

986
00:53:30,979 --> 00:53:29,309
ah-64 helicopters they fly over my my

987
00:53:34,729 --> 00:53:30,989
desert horse property where I am okay

988
00:53:39,589 --> 00:53:34,739
and the single file and they're low and

989
00:53:41,450 --> 00:53:39,599
a loaded big rotor truck okay how do I

990
00:53:44,930 --> 00:53:41,460
know that I've been in I'm lightened and

991
00:53:47,499 --> 00:53:44,940
not and Huey's the same way I think

992
00:53:53,539 --> 00:53:47,509
probably John's been in a few here he's

993
00:53:55,249 --> 00:53:53,549
that and they fly single-file low come

994
00:53:57,799 --> 00:53:55,259
right over my property I've got photos

995
00:54:01,489 --> 00:53:57,809
of all this stuff chute burst shots with

996
00:54:04,729 --> 00:54:01,499
a Nikon and I mean I got photos that I

997
00:54:08,209 --> 00:54:04,739
never expected to get an ax and I've not

998
00:54:13,039 --> 00:54:08,219
shown anyone but there are discs still

999
00:54:16,450 --> 00:54:13,049
okay mm-hmm and not blurry shots these

1000
00:54:19,999 --> 00:54:16,460
are like as clear as the helicopters and

1001
00:54:21,470 --> 00:54:20,009
as they fly right straight to where the

1002
00:54:27,700 --> 00:54:21,480
base is

1003
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:27,710
okay the old-timers have since told me

1004
00:54:32,030 --> 00:54:30,450
pleaded with me and reasoned with me not

1005
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:32,040
to try to go there because of some

1006
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:35,010
problems and disappearances and people

1007
00:54:39,609 --> 00:54:38,010
for not dead a lot of things then for

1008
00:54:45,380 --> 00:54:39,619
people who try to get to this place

1009
00:54:48,770 --> 00:54:45,390
anyway there had already been some

1010
00:54:51,710 --> 00:54:48,780
things on the ground where it matched

1011
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:51,720
what was talked about in 1953 and they

1012
00:54:59,750 --> 00:54:56,490
were quote strange looking men on

1013
00:55:04,430 --> 00:54:59,760
quality mm-hmm and you know it's like a

1014
00:55:06,290 --> 00:55:04,440
reporter's description so you know they

1015
00:55:08,510 --> 00:55:06,300
are they aren't out-of-towners they

1016
00:55:10,370 --> 00:55:08,520
would have been mentioned that way along

1017
00:55:13,790 --> 00:55:10,380
with Henry bought himself a new pair of

1018
00:55:15,980 --> 00:55:13,800
shoes that at the local shoe store

1019
00:55:16,670 --> 00:55:15,990
because they talked about a lot of

1020
00:55:19,220 --> 00:55:16,680
different things

1021
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:19,230
oh yeah small-town newspapers no no yeah

1022
00:55:24,500 --> 00:55:22,650
small - it's like Charlie's cousin came

1023
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:24,510
to this is it last weekend yeah all

1024
00:55:29,090 --> 00:55:26,970
these things this is Mayberry and and

1025
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:29,100
for everybody that ever gets involving

1026
00:55:34,220 --> 00:55:32,130
history doing research ins and that type

1027
00:55:35,900 --> 00:55:34,230
of thing you need to move middly you

1028
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:35,910
need to move yourself back to that time

1029
00:55:41,720 --> 00:55:39,810
and stop thinking about using cell

1030
00:55:43,750 --> 00:55:41,730
phones and computers and and all of

1031
00:55:50,630 --> 00:55:43,760
these other things and these people were

1032
00:55:53,090 --> 00:55:50,640
intelligent and they were connected to

1033
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:53,100
the earth more than then most of us are

1034
00:55:59,690 --> 00:55:55,410
ranchers and farmers were pretty much

1035
00:56:02,120 --> 00:55:59,700
that way still but but they were they

1036
00:56:04,820 --> 00:56:02,130
lived a simpler life and they didn't

1037
00:56:06,620 --> 00:56:04,830
have all this technology they'd have

1038
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:06,630
been overwhelmed with it and and in fact

1039
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:09,450
this is part of it they were overwhelmed

1040
00:56:16,250 --> 00:56:13,170
by the technology because it was so far

1041
00:56:21,010 --> 00:56:16,260
ahead of where we are now let alone then

1042
00:56:25,359 --> 00:56:21,020
and so here we go it's in the newspaper

1043
00:56:28,430 --> 00:56:25,369
it's in the front page that the pilots

1044
00:56:31,550 --> 00:56:28,440
he refused he only talked he said I'll

1045
00:56:32,690 --> 00:56:31,560
just tell you this I don't need no bromo

1046
00:56:35,269 --> 00:56:32,700
that's a quote

1047
00:56:40,699 --> 00:56:35,279
bromo seltzer is like your

1048
00:56:46,249 --> 00:56:40,709
drinking okay I don't need no bromo you

1049
00:56:50,299 --> 00:56:46,259
know this stuff was like and this is

1050
00:56:55,659 --> 00:56:50,309
barely after Kenneth Arnold claim which

1051
00:57:01,640 --> 00:56:55,669
was a day later and the reports made

1052
00:57:03,620 --> 00:57:01,650
about the modern day first sighting you

1053
00:57:07,459 --> 00:57:03,630
know it just kind of expands and expands

1054
00:57:10,759 --> 00:57:07,469
even on that a personal friend of mine

1055
00:57:13,279 --> 00:57:10,769
who is now deceased and and business

1056
00:57:16,399 --> 00:57:13,289
associate for yours out of Pendleton

1057
00:57:19,669 --> 00:57:16,409
Oregon interviewed Kenneth Arnold for

1058
00:57:27,829 --> 00:57:19,679
three hours that evening of the 25th of

1059
00:57:29,839 --> 00:57:27,839
June 1947 at Arnold's hotel room you

1060
00:57:32,659 --> 00:57:29,849
know so and and and he had the radio

1061
00:57:36,079 --> 00:57:32,669
station that Arnold was on the next day

1062
00:57:39,949 --> 00:57:36,089
so anyway so I've been exposed to a lot

1063
00:57:42,649 --> 00:57:39,959
of different things because of where I

1064
00:57:45,409 --> 00:57:42,659
was and who my friends were and my

1065
00:57:48,019 --> 00:57:45,419
profession this kind of thing and when I

1066
00:57:49,309 --> 00:57:48,029
do Joe you're your historian more than

1067
00:57:52,329 --> 00:57:49,319
anything else I mean you don't claim to

1068
00:57:54,380 --> 00:57:52,339
be a UFO researcher you've ya

1069
00:57:57,319 --> 00:57:54,390
investigated and doesn't work on other

1070
00:58:00,620 --> 00:57:57,329
historical things besides UFOs right I

1071
00:58:02,239 --> 00:58:00,630
was I made an international newspaper I

1072
00:58:06,969 --> 00:58:02,249
think it was an international it was a

1073
00:58:10,729 --> 00:58:06,979
national anyway newspaper in 1979 after

1074
00:58:12,409 --> 00:58:10,739
it isn't like I haven't seen UFOs they

1075
00:58:16,159 --> 00:58:12,419
said there's a difference you know it's

1076
00:58:18,259 --> 00:58:16,169
like I was a museum director and I don't

1077
00:58:22,999 --> 00:58:18,269
and I'm not going to be talking about

1078
00:58:25,399 --> 00:58:23,009
UFOs and I saw one in 1979 coming up

1079
00:58:29,299 --> 00:58:25,409
from the direction of Mount Shasta in

1080
00:58:30,620 --> 00:58:29,309
the evening and my oldest son was with

1081
00:58:33,499 --> 00:58:30,630
me and we're on the side of a mountain

1082
00:58:36,169 --> 00:58:33,509
with a telescope and this thing is the

1083
00:58:39,169 --> 00:58:36,179
same elevation we are at and it's

1084
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:39,179
lighting up the ground as it came and I

1085
00:58:43,339 --> 00:58:40,890
and I called the Air Force and

1086
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:43,349
identified who it was they passionate it

1087
00:58:49,070 --> 00:58:46,890
Seattle I talked to the guy on the p IP

1088
00:58:50,810 --> 00:58:49,080
screen and I said I think this

1089
00:58:53,450 --> 00:58:50,820
it's gonna go down around Diamond Lake

1090
00:58:55,670 --> 00:58:53,460
Oregon I did it do nori and he said no

1091
00:58:58,610 --> 00:58:55,680
it just went right by there you know

1092
00:59:00,890 --> 00:58:58,620
let's say yourself it's flying being far

1093
00:59:05,270 --> 00:59:00,900
and it's gigantic and it flew right by

1094
00:59:08,540 --> 00:59:05,280
us it like I level looking off the side

1095
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:08,550
of the mountain so it's like I didn't

1096
00:59:15,020 --> 00:59:10,850
need any convincing my father's an

1097
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:15,030
archaeologist so I kind of have you know

1098
00:59:21,010 --> 00:59:17,010
I was in digs when I was a kid that kind

1099
00:59:25,220 --> 00:59:21,020
of thing so I take everything

1100
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:25,230
methodically and sometimes too slow for

1101
00:59:29,090 --> 00:59:26,730
some people but there isn't an

1102
00:59:31,130 --> 00:59:29,100
archaeologist I don't know that they can

1103
00:59:34,580 --> 00:59:31,140
walk away from a site without lifting

1104
00:59:39,100 --> 00:59:34,590
that last rock to look under it you know

1105
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:39,110
and and so we find things that's like

1106
00:59:48,140 --> 00:59:42,810
finding the landing site with everything

1107
00:59:50,450 --> 00:59:48,150
the Air Force left there in situ never

1108
00:59:52,810 --> 00:59:50,460
been touched in over 60 years all the

1109
00:59:55,820 --> 00:59:52,820
substance they left behind including

1110
00:59:58,220 --> 00:59:55,830
identified will rare things that were

1111
01:00:01,400 --> 00:59:58,230
under government contract made one time

1112
01:00:04,070 --> 01:00:01,410
as an experiment oh there there you know

1113
01:00:06,950 --> 01:00:04,080
it's like arrowheads or the Clovis point

1114
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:06,960
connected to Mastodon hunters or Ramnath

1115
01:00:13,790 --> 01:00:11,010
others actually now so with that I

1116
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:13,800
listen to what John is saying and my

1117
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:17,010
uncle Irv I was influenced of things

1118
01:00:24,700 --> 01:00:20,690
that I don't discuss and my uncle Irv

1119
01:00:28,070 --> 01:00:24,710
was involved in the space program and

1120
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:28,080
and heat shields and a bunch in fact

1121
01:00:33,350 --> 01:00:30,810
developed and got a got a bonus

1122
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:33,360
internally for developing a heat shield

1123
01:00:42,670 --> 01:00:39,410
that would work for like Germany

1124
01:00:45,519 --> 01:00:42,680
and when John when you described this

1125
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:45,529
glove to me were you talking about a

1126
01:00:55,870 --> 01:00:49,210
zipper on the instep was actually inside

1127
01:00:59,109 --> 01:00:55,880
you know yeah actually it was not inside

1128
01:00:59,829 --> 01:00:59,119
what what would be very similar to our

1129
01:01:04,089 --> 01:00:59,839
Nomex

1130
01:01:09,700 --> 01:01:04,099
although it was thicker and I crazily

1131
01:01:12,009 --> 01:01:09,710
enough I took a match and tried to burn

1132
01:01:16,059 --> 01:01:12,019
a piece of that and it wouldn't burn so

1133
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:16,069
I know it was sort of a no max come on

1134
01:01:23,259 --> 01:01:19,450
he the bladder was inside the leather

1135
01:01:24,910 --> 01:01:23,269
the leather and it was something and it

1136
01:01:26,710 --> 01:01:24,920
could have been something other than

1137
01:01:29,529 --> 01:01:26,720
leather I don't know but it felt like

1138
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:29,539
leather looked like it it was smooth on

1139
01:01:37,749 --> 01:01:33,650
one side kind of rough grainy on the

1140
01:01:40,509 --> 01:01:37,759
outside so the smooth side was in the

1141
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:40,519
bladder that had the pressure capability

1142
01:01:45,839 --> 01:01:42,250
of went into all the fingers and some

1143
01:01:51,190 --> 01:01:45,849
and across the back of the palm and then

1144
01:01:53,769 --> 01:01:51,200
inside that was a string that would pull

1145
01:01:55,779 --> 01:01:53,779
and zip it and the that would leave the

1146
01:01:57,249 --> 01:01:55,789
Nomex on your hand the bladder was there

1147
01:02:00,329 --> 01:01:57,259
and it would close it up but it was

1148
01:02:03,039 --> 01:02:00,339
definitely an internal zipper and it was

1149
01:02:07,329 --> 01:02:03,049
pretty interesting I mean it wasn't like

1150
01:02:12,519 --> 01:02:07,339
the zippers we have that it did the same

1151
01:02:15,450 --> 01:02:12,529
thing but it was more today if for

1152
01:02:17,559 --> 01:02:15,460
example if you were to buy some of the

1153
01:02:20,170 --> 01:02:17,569
multicolored Peppers you'll find these

1154
01:02:24,130 --> 01:02:20,180
little zippers that slip across and have

1155
01:02:27,670 --> 01:02:24,140
no teeth but just seal and it was almost

1156
01:02:31,150 --> 01:02:27,680
that sort of a thing although it was

1157
01:02:33,249 --> 01:02:31,160
much stronger but it had no teeth it

1158
01:02:37,569 --> 01:02:33,259
just would feel it you could pull it and

1159
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:41,589
to push it back of course at that point

1160
01:02:46,660 --> 01:02:44,210
it had been ripped off of someone's hand

1161
01:02:48,670 --> 01:02:46,670
pretty much I'm sure but you could use

1162
01:02:50,890 --> 01:02:48,680
your finger and slide it back down and

1163
01:02:54,579 --> 01:02:50,900
open it up again like as

1164
01:02:58,029 --> 01:02:54,589
like a ziploc bag almost yeah it was

1165
01:03:03,510 --> 01:02:58,039
very it was very different and I mean I

1166
01:03:07,539 --> 01:03:03,520
had people from several of the space

1167
01:03:08,710 --> 01:03:07,549
development teams look at that everybody

1168
01:03:10,420 --> 01:03:08,720
was impressed

1169
01:03:13,089 --> 01:03:10,430
nobody could decide where it came from

1170
01:03:14,950 --> 01:03:13,099
and they all said that it did not appear

1171
01:03:21,779 --> 01:03:14,960
to have been made by anybody in a

1172
01:03:31,990 --> 01:03:27,940
if that was large you can only imagine

1173
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:32,000
what small would have been yeah where

1174
01:03:36,940 --> 01:03:34,490
did anybody anybody ever approached you

1175
01:03:39,599 --> 01:03:36,950
you know we hear stories of the men in

1176
01:03:42,180 --> 01:03:39,609
black and people to try the silenced UFO

1177
01:03:44,620 --> 01:03:42,190
witnesses and people who have evidence

1178
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:44,630
anybody ever tried to make a grab for

1179
01:03:51,849 --> 01:03:49,130
this thing or use any type of false ID

1180
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:51,859
to indicate that they were somebody that

1181
01:03:56,769 --> 01:03:54,770
they really weren't I I did not have

1182
01:03:59,200 --> 01:03:56,779
that experience that I'm aware of

1183
01:04:02,019 --> 01:03:59,210
however you don't know but everybody

1184
01:04:04,390 --> 01:04:02,029
brought it back and I know it was the

1185
01:04:05,079 --> 01:04:04,400
same one that came back because it's

1186
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:05,089
very unique

1187
01:04:11,740 --> 01:04:09,770
you couldn't duplicate that but when

1188
01:04:13,750 --> 01:04:11,750
they came back they were they came back

1189
01:04:15,609 --> 01:04:13,760
more than any other reasons they didn't

1190
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:15,619
no one ever brought it back at the time

1191
01:04:19,450 --> 01:04:17,210
they said they would they all kept it

1192
01:04:21,150 --> 01:04:19,460
longer than they said and I expected I

1193
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:21,160
was not gonna get it back quite frankly

1194
01:04:25,779 --> 01:04:23,930
that's a mess of run that's a rough call

1195
01:04:28,349 --> 01:04:25,789
I don't think I would I don't think I

1196
01:04:32,819 --> 01:04:28,359
would have let that out of my hand yeah

1197
01:04:35,319 --> 01:04:32,829
but you know they had obviously they had

1198
01:04:37,690 --> 01:04:35,329
IDs and identification that made me

1199
01:04:41,609 --> 01:04:37,700
think that they were legit but the the

1200
01:04:44,380 --> 01:04:41,619
real difference was when they came back

1201
01:04:45,910 --> 01:04:44,390
more than any other reason they came

1202
01:04:49,650 --> 01:04:45,920
back with that glove because they had

1203
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:51,910
anything in writing for many of these

1204
01:04:58,870 --> 01:04:55,490
people not a single one I even asked

1205
01:05:01,450 --> 01:04:58,880
that I said can you they said no we

1206
01:05:03,099 --> 01:05:01,460
can't answer those questions and they

1207
01:05:04,839 --> 01:05:03,109
didn't have the answer that's the point

1208
01:05:07,779 --> 01:05:04,849
and that's what was

1209
01:05:10,870 --> 01:05:07,789
cool about this glove I mean the people

1210
01:05:12,940 --> 01:05:10,880
who would hold it he and Tim maybe

1211
01:05:14,650 --> 01:05:12,950
remember but people would hold it and

1212
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:14,660
say who it's just like my hands are

1213
01:05:25,089 --> 01:05:19,970
telling yeah yeah for sure yeah now what

1214
01:05:29,950 --> 01:05:25,099
what year did it disappear that would

1215
01:05:31,749 --> 01:05:29,960
have been about 1980 it was earlier than

1216
01:05:36,219 --> 01:05:31,759
that that you came down it was actually

1217
01:05:39,609 --> 01:05:36,229
I think we came down in 70 late 78 early

1218
01:05:42,930 --> 01:05:39,619
79 well I sure would like to recover the

1219
01:05:46,749 --> 01:05:42,940
the photographs do you have any pictures

1220
01:05:49,479 --> 01:05:46,759
no I don't unfortunately as I say we you

1221
01:05:51,249 --> 01:05:49,489
know I if if that entire run had been

1222
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:51,259
done in today's world I would have a

1223
01:05:56,670 --> 01:05:53,930
whole lot more I only really I have the

1224
01:06:01,559 --> 01:05:56,680
newspaper ourselves about suddenly the

1225
01:06:06,969 --> 01:06:01,569
newspaper reporters run black over an in

1226
01:06:09,459 --> 01:06:06,979
Tampa collected them for me well today

1227
01:06:12,009 --> 01:06:09,469
you'd have selfies and everything yeah

1228
01:06:14,079 --> 01:06:12,019
we have everything but in that area you

1229
01:06:17,109 --> 01:06:14,089
know they didn't use media would come

1230
01:06:19,059 --> 01:06:17,119
out and interview us and we kept running

1231
01:06:22,599 --> 01:06:19,069
the next day it came out but we didn't

1232
01:06:25,180 --> 01:06:22,609
ever see the newspapers so it was really

1233
01:06:29,829 --> 01:06:25,190
I mean I'm really very fortunate that

1234
01:06:31,660 --> 01:06:29,839
Ron interviewed us before the run and he

1235
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:31,670
started to collect him I'm sure I could

1236
01:06:36,039 --> 01:06:33,410
probably go online and get some of these

1237
01:06:38,589 --> 01:06:36,049
somebody has said that about that I just

1238
01:06:44,109 --> 01:06:38,599
haven't done it but I can tell you that

1239
01:06:45,910 --> 01:06:44,119
that that glove everybody who saw that I

1240
01:06:48,789 --> 01:06:45,920
don't wanna say they freaked out but

1241
01:06:51,099 --> 01:06:48,799
they were freaked out that's the best

1242
01:06:52,719 --> 01:06:51,109
way to describe it I mean someone would

1243
01:06:56,709 --> 01:06:52,729
hold that in their hand it was like oh

1244
01:06:59,349 --> 01:06:56,719
it's tingling and it was it was very

1245
01:07:01,749 --> 01:06:59,359
interesting and the other components

1246
01:07:03,459 --> 01:07:01,759
from that crash site and it had to be a

1247
01:07:05,489 --> 01:07:03,469
crash site that's the only thing that

1248
01:07:10,529 --> 01:07:05,499
would do that to the railroad tracks and

1249
01:07:13,690 --> 01:07:10,539
everything else the metal the the

1250
01:07:18,730 --> 01:07:13,700
Plexiglas and probably again it was

1251
01:07:20,650 --> 01:07:18,740
probably more of a fiberglass with maybe

1252
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:20,660
titanium fiberglass I would imagine

1253
01:07:25,690 --> 01:07:22,970
that's probably what it was but you

1254
01:07:28,540 --> 01:07:25,700
couldn't break it now it did break on

1255
01:07:32,010 --> 01:07:28,550
the impact but the largest piece I found

1256
01:07:35,740 --> 01:07:32,020
was roughly about a two-foot square and

1257
01:07:37,839 --> 01:07:35,750
it was very dark blue it's not like

1258
01:07:41,380 --> 01:07:37,849
anything we use in our aviation world

1259
01:07:44,380 --> 01:07:41,390
military or civilian but if you held it

1260
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:44,390
up to the Sun and tried to look through

1261
01:07:52,300 --> 01:07:50,210
it it almost became kind of like clear

1262
01:07:54,910 --> 01:07:52,310
that you could see the Sun but the Sun

1263
01:07:57,940 --> 01:07:54,920
didn't impact your eyes in any kind of

1264
01:07:59,920 --> 01:07:57,950
way it was very interesting I mean I

1265
01:08:03,150 --> 01:07:59,930
don't even know what else to say about

1266
01:08:05,710 --> 01:08:03,160
it the guy who ran with me Brian hassel

1267
01:08:07,540 --> 01:08:05,720
got a little freaked out he didn't he

1268
01:08:10,450 --> 01:08:07,550
didn't want to touch it he said that's

1269
01:08:13,990 --> 01:08:10,460
your that could be radioactive your

1270
01:08:18,390 --> 01:08:14,000
hands will fall off of you are you are

1271
01:08:22,530 --> 01:08:18,400
you still in touch with him occasionally

1272
01:08:25,780 --> 01:08:22,540
it's kind of one of those crazy things

1273
01:08:27,610 --> 01:08:25,790
when you run side by side with someone

1274
01:08:29,769 --> 01:08:27,620
for that long we train together we've

1275
01:08:31,630 --> 01:08:29,779
been principal I know everything about

1276
01:08:33,670 --> 01:08:31,640
his life so when we get together it's

1277
01:08:36,099 --> 01:08:33,680
like in 20 minutes I'm caught up again

1278
01:08:38,499 --> 01:08:36,109
we don't do it often but he didn't have

1279
01:08:40,809 --> 01:08:38,509
any part of that he didn't want he

1280
01:08:45,390 --> 01:08:40,819
didn't he didn't he didn't did he see

1281
01:08:49,990 --> 01:08:45,400
you discover the glove no we crossed I

1282
01:08:52,829 --> 01:08:50,000
we were scheduled to meet after that so

1283
01:08:56,320 --> 01:08:52,839
I I brought him back to show it to him

1284
01:08:57,340 --> 01:08:56,330
but he did see it oh he saw it yeah

1285
01:08:59,410 --> 01:08:57,350
absolutely

1286
01:09:01,660 --> 01:08:59,420
oh my goodness well there you go I be

1287
01:09:08,380 --> 01:09:01,670
because I people think over the years

1288
01:09:10,749 --> 01:09:08,390
that I've been hallucinating it I I quit

1289
01:09:14,709 --> 01:09:10,759
smoking the heavy stuff better yet many

1290
01:09:17,620 --> 01:09:14,719
years ago but and of course some people

1291
01:09:19,660 --> 01:09:17,630
think well it's typically so he just he

1292
01:09:21,550 --> 01:09:19,670
just he just made he just made it up

1293
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:21,560
he's got nothing better to do you know I

1294
01:09:27,579 --> 01:09:25,130
mean I said I said here no real is a

1295
01:09:31,059 --> 01:09:27,589
large number of people that did see it

1296
01:09:34,390 --> 01:09:31,069
because I would show it to people in my

1297
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:34,400
I my stories in your book you don't

1298
01:09:39,339 --> 01:09:36,170
quite give that entirely but I called it

1299
01:09:41,579 --> 01:09:39,349
21st century foods but everyone else so

1300
01:09:44,859 --> 01:09:41,589
natural it was the first vegetarian

1301
01:09:49,809 --> 01:09:44,869
restaurant and health food store in the

1302
01:09:52,269 --> 01:09:49,819
area and so I would keep it in the

1303
01:09:53,919 --> 01:09:52,279
restaurant there and people would come

1304
01:09:58,540 --> 01:09:53,929
in and they had heard about it because

1305
01:10:02,649 --> 01:09:58,550
it did have some news media and I I came

1306
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:02,659
not not thinking the way I would today I

1307
01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:05,690
didn't keep those but people would want

1308
01:10:09,459 --> 01:10:07,090
to see it and I'd show it to him and

1309
01:10:12,609 --> 01:10:09,469
literally it would freak people out and

1310
01:10:16,750 --> 01:10:12,619
they would leave the restaurant hmm well

1311
01:10:18,669 --> 01:10:16,760
that's kind of well I don't know I guess

1312
01:10:20,100 --> 01:10:18,679
it's right it's right it's really vacant

1313
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:20,110
to some people I suppose

1314
01:10:27,390 --> 01:10:24,290
well most people want you know most

1315
01:10:30,209 --> 01:10:27,400
people watch Star Trek and they watch

1316
01:10:35,709 --> 01:10:30,219
you know whatever but they don't really

1317
01:10:37,990 --> 01:10:35,719
want that to be real yeah other people

1318
01:10:41,740 --> 01:10:38,000
wanted to be real I mean I I've always

1319
01:10:44,669 --> 01:10:41,750
thought we we cannot be egotistical

1320
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:44,679
enough to think that we are the only

1321
01:10:50,109 --> 01:10:47,810
humanoid type beings on the planet I

1322
01:10:52,750 --> 01:10:50,119
mean on in the universe on the planet

1323
01:10:55,089 --> 01:10:52,760
yeah okay but in the universe think

1324
01:11:01,020 --> 01:10:55,099
about the variety of people on our

1325
01:11:05,140 --> 01:11:01,030
planet and then expand that out over a

1326
01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:05,150
few hundred light-years away or a few

1327
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:09,170
thousand we have to have others that are

1328
01:11:16,750 --> 01:11:12,050
very similar to us more advanced less

1329
01:11:20,050 --> 01:11:16,760
advanced not as nice nicer and they're

1330
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:20,060
out there well they would have obviously

1331
01:11:28,270 --> 01:11:24,650
this whoever constructed this glove

1332
01:11:30,580 --> 01:11:28,280
would have to be pretty pretty close to

1333
01:11:32,290 --> 01:11:30,590
us all right Tim the interrupter here

1334
01:11:41,900 --> 01:11:32,300
because we have to go to

1335
01:11:48,630 --> 01:11:46,050
now back to exploring the bazaar with

1336
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:48,640
two of the most electrifying researchers

1337
01:11:59,310 --> 01:11:51,970
in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca

1338
01:12:01,320 --> 01:11:59,320
Lee and Taylor Swift's final segment of

1339
01:12:04,740 --> 01:12:01,330
exploring the bazaar so Harry you've

1340
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:04,750
heard John's story here

1341
01:12:11,910 --> 01:12:09,330
comets questions well I've thought about

1342
01:12:16,070 --> 01:12:11,920
several different things I didn't know

1343
01:12:19,710 --> 01:12:16,080
if the glove had a cuff or a gauntlet

1344
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:19,720
the blotter if there was any wires tubes

1345
01:12:26,990 --> 01:12:24,010
or cords internally or if the glove was

1346
01:12:29,310 --> 01:12:27,000
designed to wear if you roll it inside

1347
01:12:35,220 --> 01:12:29,320
slightly inside out it could be attached

1348
01:12:35,580 --> 01:12:35,230
to a sleeve I mean it's like the size of

1349
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:35,590
hand

1350
01:12:42,890 --> 01:12:38,770
sounds like a large was a small if it

1351
01:12:47,430 --> 01:12:42,900
had a descended thumb or no thumb at all

1352
01:12:52,860 --> 01:12:47,440
would tell me whether it was used for

1353
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:52,870
like a primate pardon me the different

1354
01:12:58,620 --> 01:12:56,290
things when he talked about the what

1355
01:13:01,410 --> 01:12:58,630
would be perhaps the canopy or a shield

1356
01:13:03,540 --> 01:13:01,420
or a window and it's blue and when you

1357
01:13:08,420 --> 01:13:03,550
hold it to the light it becomes clear

1358
01:13:12,270 --> 01:13:08,430
I've seen that like I've seen the outer

1359
01:13:14,850 --> 01:13:12,280
canopy on an f-35 which isn't like

1360
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:14,860
anything we've done in recent times

1361
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:17,770
either if that's the latest thing and it

1362
01:13:35,130 --> 01:13:25,090
increases up well I think we I think

1363
01:13:39,480 --> 01:13:35,140
we've lost silence we'll have to have to

1364
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:39,490
t know get him back on again but you

1365
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:42,970
know I've got to go through the files

1366
01:13:48,540 --> 01:13:45,130
here to find the photographs the problem

1367
01:13:51,219 --> 01:13:48,550
is is that some of these folders were

1368
01:13:54,799 --> 01:13:51,229
made out of cardboard you

1369
01:13:57,859 --> 01:13:54,809
and if you've had cardboard files for 40

1370
01:14:01,129 --> 01:13:57,869
or 50 years you try to put there they're

1371
01:14:03,709 --> 01:14:01,139
so weighed down by the cardboard file on

1372
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:03,719
top of it that when you go to pull it

1373
01:14:18,109 --> 01:14:15,570
open it's talked about she asked those

1374
01:14:20,509 --> 01:14:18,119
questions just before let me see if I

1375
01:14:22,569 --> 01:14:20,519
thought I had clarified that first of

1376
01:14:28,219 --> 01:14:22,579
all there was a thumb

1377
01:14:29,929 --> 01:14:28,229
it was very prehensile I would say by

1378
01:14:33,169 --> 01:14:29,939
comparison it was at least thirty

1379
01:14:34,850 --> 01:14:33,179
percent further up the hand than our own

1380
01:14:40,869 --> 01:14:34,860
thumbs hmm

1381
01:14:43,339 --> 01:14:40,879
the fingers were small but long the the

1382
01:14:47,419 --> 01:14:43,349
bladder that he was talking about did

1383
01:14:49,129 --> 01:14:47,429
have as I had said earlier it had a like

1384
01:14:54,469 --> 01:14:49,139
a valve on the outside that you could

1385
01:14:58,969 --> 01:14:54,479
put a connection into air pressure in it

1386
01:15:02,209 --> 01:14:58,979
did have something similar to velcro so

1387
01:15:05,089 --> 01:15:02,219
a spacesuit connection or flight suit

1388
01:15:09,409 --> 01:15:05,099
connection or whatever but could wrap

1389
01:15:12,189 --> 01:15:09,419
around and and connect to it and you

1390
01:15:15,500 --> 01:15:12,199
know provide some connectivity I

1391
01:15:20,179 --> 01:15:15,510
obviously we don't think you know this

1392
01:15:22,609 --> 01:15:20,189
the velcro that we have would not hold

1393
01:15:25,879 --> 01:15:22,619
up with pressure but this one was much

1394
01:15:29,179 --> 01:15:25,889
different it was way more there are new

1395
01:15:33,350 --> 01:15:29,189
ones today the heavy-duty plastic velcro

1396
01:15:35,719 --> 01:15:33,360
connections are similar to what that was

1397
01:15:38,839 --> 01:15:35,729
only it was more intense I mean I have

1398
01:15:42,049 --> 01:15:38,849
to say this thing was it was far

1399
01:15:43,939 --> 01:15:42,059
advanced to what we even currently have

1400
01:15:49,009 --> 01:15:43,949
now however what we have currently now

1401
01:15:53,299 --> 01:15:49,019
is working towards that it was it was

1402
01:15:56,119 --> 01:15:53,309
very unique I I can't even really say

1403
01:15:58,429 --> 01:15:56,129
that I've I mean I don't there I don't

1404
01:16:00,459 --> 01:15:58,439
dwell on it anymore although I thought

1405
01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:00,469
about it for a long time

1406
01:16:04,850 --> 01:16:03,570
intensely but there's rarely a day that

1407
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:04,860
goes by that this

1408
01:16:09,290 --> 01:16:07,650
well I'll do anything and all of a

1409
01:16:13,390 --> 01:16:09,300
sudden it just pops into my mind how

1410
01:16:17,479 --> 01:16:13,400
that glove would work and to think about

1411
01:16:22,729 --> 01:16:17,489
the components in that crash site and it

1412
01:16:24,709 --> 01:16:22,739
had to be a crash site nothing and I I

1413
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:24,719
have I have a Jonna

1414
01:16:30,229 --> 01:16:26,250
I have something to bring up here you

1415
01:16:32,959 --> 01:16:30,239
know I asked you earlier whether anyone

1416
01:16:35,450 --> 01:16:32,969
had tried to grab the glove or whether

1417
01:16:38,479 --> 01:16:35,460
you had ever been approached by somebody

1418
01:16:41,359 --> 01:16:38,489
with the fake credentials but you did

1419
01:16:45,620 --> 01:16:41,369
have an experience traveling with the

1420
01:16:49,569 --> 01:16:45,630
glove going back where there was some

1421
01:16:53,839 --> 01:16:49,579
other activity in the sky in a storm yes

1422
01:16:57,620 --> 01:16:53,849
yeah there was definitely well actually

1423
01:16:59,899 --> 01:16:57,630
I pulled off on the side of i-10 because

1424
01:17:03,049 --> 01:16:59,909
I had made this line up and I knew

1425
01:17:06,950 --> 01:17:03,059
exactly where it was and I was going to

1426
01:17:10,569 --> 01:17:06,960
zip over get some of the components and

1427
01:17:19,129 --> 01:17:15,379
there was a you know how the area out

1428
01:17:21,830 --> 01:17:19,139
and in the book Tim you wrote California

1429
01:17:24,260 --> 01:17:21,840
but it was really Arizona an undergrad

1430
01:17:26,089 --> 01:17:24,270
but California because probably kept

1431
01:17:30,319 --> 01:17:26,099
people from finding what I would love to

1432
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:30,329
find however looking up into the sky

1433
01:17:36,589 --> 01:17:34,010
there was definitely some things that

1434
01:17:42,410 --> 01:17:36,599
would not be normal under any

1435
01:17:44,750 --> 01:17:42,420
circumstance my former wife so a lot of

1436
01:17:47,180 --> 01:17:44,760
that as well in fact I think Jim you

1437
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:47,190
even interviewed her about that yeah I

1438
01:17:52,220 --> 01:17:50,250
was running about meeting her yes yeah I

1439
01:17:56,180 --> 01:17:52,230
was running to the site I got really

1440
01:18:03,260 --> 01:17:56,190
close to it I saw these things in the

1441
01:18:08,569 --> 01:18:03,270
sky was really bizarre and the winds

1442
01:18:10,370 --> 01:18:08,579
came up incredibly to the point that it

1443
01:18:13,100 --> 01:18:10,380
had not rained out in that desert in

1444
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:13,110
quite some time but it didn't actually

1445
01:18:17,980 --> 01:18:15,690
rain although there was water in the air

1446
01:18:22,950 --> 01:18:17,990
it was like swirling water I mean it was

1447
01:18:26,260 --> 01:18:22,960
weird and I turned around and went back

1448
01:18:28,480 --> 01:18:26,270
because it just didn't seem like a safe

1449
01:18:34,930 --> 01:18:28,490
environment to continue it was very

1450
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:34,940
bizarre now my ex had driven the motor

1451
01:18:40,810 --> 01:18:37,850
home and she would go ahead of us

1452
01:18:44,110 --> 01:18:40,820
in each set then we would meet her there

1453
01:18:46,690 --> 01:18:44,120
so she was so freaked out when I got

1454
01:18:49,150 --> 01:18:46,700
back looking at what was in the sky and

1455
01:18:51,730 --> 01:18:49,160
she looked more in that because she

1456
01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:51,740
wasn't running and avoiding you know

1457
01:18:54,820 --> 01:18:53,210
when you run across the desert there are

1458
01:18:56,410 --> 01:18:54,830
some things that will scratch the heck

1459
01:18:58,330 --> 01:18:56,420
out of you you have to be really careful

1460
01:18:59,950 --> 01:18:58,340
when you're doing that so I was paying

1461
01:19:03,310 --> 01:18:59,960
more attention on the ground level

1462
01:19:05,830 --> 01:19:03,320
she was looking up at the sky level and

1463
01:19:10,050 --> 01:19:05,840
when she pointed it out to me it was it

1464
01:19:15,930 --> 01:19:13,000
you know there have been a lot of people

1465
01:19:20,110 --> 01:19:15,940
over the years even in this past year

1466
01:19:22,450 --> 01:19:20,120
who have said that there was a an alien

1467
01:19:26,950 --> 01:19:22,460
aircraft right outside and they tracked

1468
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:26,960
it I mean even during this past calendar

1469
01:19:34,690 --> 01:19:30,770
year I've I read some reports on pilots

1470
01:19:37,480 --> 01:19:34,700
who are not weird not messed up and they

1471
01:19:41,410 --> 01:19:37,490
said the same thing so yes there are

1472
01:19:45,790 --> 01:19:41,420
I mean I've I've always thought that we

1473
01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:45,800
had to have space encounters I've always

1474
01:19:50,890 --> 01:19:48,410
thought that well no this would this

1475
01:19:54,700 --> 01:19:50,900
would indicate that there was some

1476
01:19:58,210 --> 01:19:54,710
either some sort of telepathic contact

1477
01:20:00,910 --> 01:19:58,220
with you that that they knew or that

1478
01:20:05,050 --> 01:20:00,920
they at least the unknown and I say they

1479
01:20:07,690 --> 01:20:05,060
whoever they are III mean you know it

1480
01:20:10,140 --> 01:20:07,700
had to be it points to a parallel

1481
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:10,150
universe because if you've got this a

1482
01:20:14,680 --> 01:20:12,410
glove and it's been sitting there in the

1483
01:20:16,930 --> 01:20:14,690
desert we don't know exactly how how

1484
01:20:21,180 --> 01:20:16,940
long they obviously are not going to

1485
01:20:25,330 --> 01:20:21,190
race across the time in space to hover

1486
01:20:28,150 --> 01:20:25,340
above you and perhaps indicate some you

1487
01:20:30,250 --> 01:20:28,160
know like idea that they might not like

1488
01:20:32,479 --> 01:20:30,260
the fact that you have this it would

1489
01:20:35,089 --> 01:20:32,489
seem that they would have to

1490
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:35,099
from somewhere closer like they're

1491
01:20:40,850 --> 01:20:36,570
reading your thoughts are picking up on

1492
01:20:49,430 --> 01:20:40,860
something it felt that way I can tell

1493
01:20:53,990 --> 01:20:49,440
you that the closer I got to wear the

1494
01:20:58,939 --> 01:20:54,000
glove and the other components were the

1495
01:21:02,330 --> 01:20:58,949
more intense the weather got I can tell

1496
01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:02,340
you that I you know your mind's all

1497
01:21:06,500 --> 01:21:04,290
about 4-thousand things and it's easier

1498
01:21:09,169 --> 01:21:06,510
to sit back 40 years later and think

1499
01:21:12,470 --> 01:21:09,179
about it than it is to experience it at

1500
01:21:15,709 --> 01:21:12,480
the moment but there was no doubt in my

1501
01:21:22,220 --> 01:21:15,719
mind that there was a connection I mean

1502
01:21:24,950 --> 01:21:22,230
it was - it was too clear it wasn't

1503
01:21:26,990 --> 01:21:24,960
frightening by any stretch I don't

1504
01:21:30,979 --> 01:21:27,000
really have fear having flown fighters

1505
01:21:34,339 --> 01:21:30,989
and there was 19 nothing nothing fright

1506
01:21:37,580 --> 01:21:34,349
freaks me out I don't have that thank

1507
01:21:40,790 --> 01:21:37,590
God but at the same time I'm very aware

1508
01:21:44,870 --> 01:21:40,800
of energy having started meditation when

1509
01:21:47,060 --> 01:21:44,880
I was 11 and dealing with energy and

1510
01:21:52,990 --> 01:21:47,070
that sort of thing so when the energy

1511
01:21:55,580 --> 01:21:53,000
would start to build it was a it was an

1512
01:21:58,129 --> 01:21:55,590
interesting and intriguing experience

1513
01:22:02,299 --> 01:21:58,139
but the winds got up to a point where I

1514
01:22:04,100 --> 01:22:02,309
did not feel comfortable being in the

1515
01:22:07,700 --> 01:22:04,110
sand was looking around all kinds of

1516
01:22:10,100 --> 01:22:07,710
things kind of like I mean if a

1517
01:22:13,700 --> 01:22:10,110
helicopter were to fly over you and stir

1518
01:22:17,149 --> 01:22:13,710
the wind that was kind of how it felt on

1519
01:22:21,260 --> 01:22:17,159
a magnitude level although you didn't

1520
01:22:26,510 --> 01:22:21,270
see anything so it was definitely the

1521
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:26,520
parallel universe idea certainly is

1522
01:22:36,589 --> 01:22:33,570
intriguing and certainly has that as

1523
01:22:38,510 --> 01:22:36,599
well some pop some possibilities there

1524
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:38,520
you know Harry I don't know if I ever

1525
01:22:45,350 --> 01:22:43,530
told you but my one incident in Kingman

1526
01:22:48,350 --> 01:22:45,360
I mean it wasn't involving a

1527
01:22:51,020 --> 01:22:48,360
a landed or crashed UFO but I I was

1528
01:22:56,360 --> 01:22:51,030
traveling out and happened to be getting

1529
01:23:00,620 --> 01:22:56,370
off the the highway route 66 right and I

1530
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:00,630
was with my my friend Circe we've been

1531
01:23:06,590 --> 01:23:03,810
on the program and we wanted a shop for

1532
01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:06,600
Indian jewelry and all right so there

1533
01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:10,650
are a few what do you call outposts or

1534
01:23:16,940 --> 01:23:13,170
are places that that sell a Native

1535
01:23:21,260 --> 01:23:16,950
American jewelry and so we we stopped in

1536
01:23:24,380 --> 01:23:21,270
in one it was a very large if I remember

1537
01:23:27,350 --> 01:23:24,390
correctly a building that was painted

1538
01:23:29,390 --> 01:23:27,360
entirely black on the outside and we

1539
01:23:34,910 --> 01:23:29,400
went in and we're looking just casually

1540
01:23:40,370 --> 01:23:34,920
through the oh the the cobblestones and

1541
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:40,380
they had a back room that had a lot of

1542
01:23:47,720 --> 01:23:44,010
like Shekinah dolls in some other Native

1543
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:47,730
American artifacts and some saddles and

1544
01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:49,770
things and it was it was quite a variety

1545
01:23:54,980 --> 01:23:52,730
and I think one of the largest that

1546
01:23:57,230 --> 01:23:54,990
outposts that I had ever been to like

1547
01:23:59,450 --> 01:23:57,240
this anyway we didn't really make any

1548
01:24:02,540 --> 01:23:59,460
purchase but we did we got out of the

1549
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:02,550
heat and we stay there for a little

1550
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:04,530
while and there was nobody else in the

1551
01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:06,570
place so we happened to get into a

1552
01:24:12,380 --> 01:24:10,290
conversation with the proprietor now I

1553
01:24:15,350 --> 01:24:12,390
don't know whether he was the manager

1554
01:24:17,510 --> 01:24:15,360
the owner or anything else but a little

1555
01:24:22,910 --> 01:24:17,520
by little the conversation that turned

1556
01:24:25,070 --> 01:24:22,920
to the the paranormal and he told us

1557
01:24:29,710 --> 01:24:25,080
this story he said you know this back

1558
01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:29,720
room we just were there are people that

1559
01:24:36,440 --> 01:24:33,210
claim that they have seen the spirits of

1560
01:24:38,540 --> 01:24:36,450
Native Americans and and so forth there

1561
01:24:40,250 --> 01:24:38,550
and and we went in long weather he said

1562
01:24:42,650 --> 01:24:40,260
yeah well that you know that's that's

1563
01:24:44,360 --> 01:24:42,660
possible and then I think at some point

1564
01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:44,370
I happen to mention well my main

1565
01:24:51,710 --> 01:24:48,690
interest was UFOs not so much ghostly

1566
01:24:53,570 --> 01:24:51,720
phenomena and he went I can't say that

1567
01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:53,580
he went into a funk but you could see

1568
01:24:58,340 --> 01:24:55,650
that he was a little bit shaken or take

1569
01:24:59,180 --> 01:24:58,350
him back with it now he told us my

1570
01:25:01,400 --> 01:24:59,190
friend that

1571
01:25:06,439 --> 01:25:01,410
I this the story and of course there's

1572
01:25:08,450 --> 01:25:06,449
no way to verify it and this is 15-20

1573
01:25:11,479 --> 01:25:08,460
years ago so I didn't write down the

1574
01:25:14,479 --> 01:25:11,489
details I I did take his card but it has

1575
01:25:16,820 --> 01:25:14,489
lost been lost even though I've tried to

1576
01:25:21,380 --> 01:25:16,830
find it but he told me this story about

1577
01:25:23,870 --> 01:25:21,390
how he had taken photographs of a of a

1578
01:25:25,970 --> 01:25:23,880
craft or had the photographs of a craft

1579
01:25:32,090 --> 01:25:25,980
I can't remember exactly how they came

1580
01:25:33,740 --> 01:25:32,100
into his into his scans but he had been

1581
01:25:37,070 --> 01:25:33,750
or he thought that he would be a

1582
01:25:43,160 --> 01:25:37,080
threatened or had been threatened and so

1583
01:25:45,470 --> 01:25:43,170
he sent them to his brother or someone

1584
01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:45,480
related to him in some other state

1585
01:25:52,430 --> 01:25:50,330
because he felt that they might be taken

1586
01:25:56,330 --> 01:25:52,440
out of his hands

1587
01:25:59,959 --> 01:25:56,340
now III just mentioned this because this

1588
01:26:02,510 --> 01:25:59,969
was on the outskirts of kingman and of

1589
01:26:04,729 --> 01:26:02,520
course even before you and i conversed

1590
01:26:07,790 --> 01:26:04,739
there are we you know we met it on

1591
01:26:10,340 --> 01:26:07,800
facebook or on the on the radio

1592
01:26:13,850 --> 01:26:10,350
III was one of the few actually that

1593
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:13,860
took the kingman incidents serious you

1594
01:26:18,350 --> 01:26:15,930
know i mean i tried to do as much

1595
01:26:21,670 --> 01:26:18,360
research as I could on the subject and

1596
01:26:25,220 --> 01:26:21,680
there really wasn't a great deal of

1597
01:26:27,410 --> 01:26:25,230
available I mean looking on the internet

1598
01:26:30,459 --> 01:26:27,420
or researching in the books and it

1599
01:26:33,650 --> 01:26:30,469
wasn't until I found you or heard you

1600
01:26:36,140 --> 01:26:33,660
that I was kind of dumbfounded that you

1601
01:26:39,170 --> 01:26:36,150
were probably the only one who had done

1602
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:39,180
any research on this particular incident

1603
01:26:45,340 --> 01:26:40,890
which seemed to be have more

1604
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:50,060
episodes of this type had you ever heard

1605
01:26:54,860 --> 01:26:52,050
of anybody in the neighborhood there who

1606
01:26:57,229 --> 01:26:54,870
said that they had photographs or

1607
01:27:04,790 --> 01:26:57,239
anything along that line even I have

1608
01:27:10,580 --> 01:27:04,800
photographs okay oh yeah and from my own

1609
01:27:12,590 --> 01:27:10,590
self I moved her in directly out of

1610
01:27:15,090 --> 01:27:12,600
Alaska we

1611
01:27:20,510 --> 01:27:15,100
thinking of John if you'd ever been an

1612
01:27:24,990 --> 01:27:20,520
Ironman I ran one in Alaska worldwide

1613
01:27:28,500 --> 01:27:25,000
thing but anyway I got down to here to

1614
01:27:30,390 --> 01:27:28,510
get away from the snow and ice and all

1615
01:27:32,550 --> 01:27:30,400
the you of those that I was saying and

1616
01:27:35,780 --> 01:27:32,560
my father had been saying for years and

1617
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:35,790
never bothered to tell me about and

1618
01:27:44,190 --> 01:27:40,090
until one day and and became friends

1619
01:27:47,930 --> 01:27:44,200
with the old-timers and being that I've

1620
01:27:51,240 --> 01:27:47,940
interviewed people for over 40 years and

1621
01:27:54,510 --> 01:27:51,250
regards the one historical topic after

1622
01:27:57,380 --> 01:27:54,520
another I started doing that and gained

1623
01:28:01,290 --> 01:27:57,390
the confidence and trust for real of

1624
01:28:04,260 --> 01:28:01,300
some century family people who've been

1625
01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:04,270
here since the beforetime before the

1626
01:28:10,770 --> 01:28:06,730
military was there and when the military

1627
01:28:13,020 --> 01:28:10,780
was here on they had blackouts and quasi

1628
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:13,030
martial law and everything all the way

1629
01:28:20,190 --> 01:28:17,530
through World War two and nobody even

1630
01:28:23,690 --> 01:28:20,200
even today's archaeologist she's related

1631
01:28:27,930 --> 01:28:23,700
to all these people at the BLM nobody

1632
01:28:30,780 --> 01:28:27,940
tells outsiders very much if you do you

1633
01:28:34,380 --> 01:28:30,790
get chastised and basically drummed out

1634
01:28:37,230 --> 01:28:34,390
of the family and it all stems from a

1635
01:28:40,740 --> 01:28:37,240
man a rancher that came up from the Big

1636
01:28:45,960 --> 01:28:40,750
Sandy and 1882 and there's a lot of

1637
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:45,970
relatives interconnected that way and so

1638
01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:48,970
I started hearing these things in a like

1639
01:28:53,370 --> 01:28:51,970
go to a luncheon to give small kind of

1640
01:28:56,070 --> 01:28:53,380
private luncheon and I started hearing

1641
01:28:59,880 --> 01:28:56,080
these things and so I started asking it

1642
01:29:02,160 --> 01:28:59,890
and they told me a lot of things nobody

1643
01:29:03,930 --> 01:29:02,170
gets to hear like a city attorney said

1644
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:03,940
why was the City Attorney ins came in

1645
01:29:09,660 --> 01:29:05,610
for ten years nobody ever told me that

1646
01:29:16,080 --> 01:29:09,670
nobody would I wouldn't you know it's

1647
01:29:18,840 --> 01:29:16,090
like for a lot of reasons but I started

1648
01:29:21,780 --> 01:29:18,850
hearing things about you know sometimes

1649
01:29:23,670 --> 01:29:21,790
these are these people because they

1650
01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:23,680
could fit in

1651
01:29:28,770 --> 01:29:25,930
on the street with us right now we're on

1652
01:29:31,740 --> 01:29:28,780
the street sometimes right then you know

1653
01:29:38,610 --> 01:29:31,750
and and I'm talking about the

1654
01:29:43,320 --> 01:29:38,620
strange-looking men and one day one

1655
01:29:46,650 --> 01:29:43,330
evening out the back back of my property

1656
01:29:50,610 --> 01:29:46,660
it's 35 miles of open desert okay and

1657
01:29:53,220 --> 01:29:50,620
I've got this thing hovering and I took

1658
01:29:59,010 --> 01:29:53,230
a picture of it with a fixed focus

1659
01:30:02,940 --> 01:29:59,020
camera and I have a call from a lady

1660
01:30:04,410 --> 01:30:02,950
that's into this and and works on a lot

1661
01:30:07,500 --> 01:30:04,420
of things there's even a thing at New

1662
01:30:09,450 --> 01:30:07,510
York here just happened and from England

1663
01:30:14,280 --> 01:30:09,460
and she's trying to talk to somebody

1664
01:30:18,480 --> 01:30:14,290
else who's an astronomer here and so

1665
01:30:20,820 --> 01:30:18,490
she's actually in England run patched to

1666
01:30:22,920 --> 01:30:20,830
both of us and as so we're

1667
01:30:25,890 --> 01:30:22,930
intercommunicating through somebody and

1668
01:30:30,510 --> 01:30:25,900
England and the photograph I took at

1669
01:30:32,340 --> 01:30:30,520
this craft and and I didn't know what

1670
01:30:34,890 --> 01:30:32,350
exactly it looked like until I could

1671
01:30:38,510 --> 01:30:34,900
actually look at the photo and blow it

1672
01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:38,520
up monitor to see it it's really spooky

1673
01:30:48,270 --> 01:30:41,730
but the astronomer got it for 20 minutes

1674
01:30:51,630 --> 01:30:48,280
okay and I just took a single shot that

1675
01:30:54,870 --> 01:30:51,640
I have with I've had my security systems

1676
01:30:58,460 --> 01:30:54,880
since finding the landing site oh and

1677
01:31:01,770 --> 01:30:58,470
the the chap who developed the most

1678
01:31:05,670 --> 01:31:01,780
advanced flight control ROV system in

1679
01:31:08,280 --> 01:31:05,680
the world engineer for the Mary Ann for

1680
01:31:10,890 --> 01:31:08,290
James Cameron's Mariana Trench dive he

1681
01:31:14,160 --> 01:31:10,900
stopped his work and came up to fly a

1682
01:31:17,010 --> 01:31:14,170
drone for me with my cameras it at a

1683
01:31:19,410 --> 01:31:17,020
lent at the landing site and at one of

1684
01:31:22,170 --> 01:31:19,420
the two crash sites I found it okay

1685
01:31:24,630 --> 01:31:22,180
they'd been a museum curator spent 20

1686
01:31:28,530 --> 01:31:24,640
years looking for this place and he had

1687
01:31:30,450 --> 01:31:28,540
inside information for real from from a

1688
01:31:33,690 --> 01:31:30,460
man who formed a church and became an

1689
01:31:35,790 --> 01:31:33,700
ordained minister to Council area 51

1690
01:31:37,649 --> 01:31:35,800
workers way back when

1691
01:31:42,299 --> 01:31:37,659
to avoid government

1692
01:31:46,589 --> 01:31:42,309
ferns and so this guy convinced shared

1693
01:31:50,429 --> 01:31:46,599
that with the museum aviation courier

1694
01:31:51,959 --> 01:31:50,439
okay and so here is that all time we

1695
01:31:53,669 --> 01:31:51,969
couldn't find it well I couldn't read

1696
01:31:56,219 --> 01:31:53,679
the ground terrain because in the last

1697
01:31:58,679 --> 01:31:56,229
fifteen or twenty years we've had more

1698
01:32:01,469 --> 01:31:58,689
moisture so you have the the desert

1699
01:32:05,069 --> 01:32:01,479
grows instantly the miniatures rained

1700
01:32:07,949 --> 01:32:05,079
because it can't get it again and so we

1701
01:32:10,919 --> 01:32:07,959
got we got more ground cover and so I

1702
01:32:13,350 --> 01:32:10,929
couldn't see anything well enough to

1703
01:32:14,939 --> 01:32:13,360
determine so doing the over flights so

1704
01:32:18,600 --> 01:32:14,949
the engineer came we did all that stuff

1705
01:32:20,669 --> 01:32:18,610
and I and I immediately found where this

1706
01:32:24,689 --> 01:32:20,679
craft had hit a rocky beaut shades off

1707
01:32:26,640 --> 01:32:24,699
of it went 0.21 miles and augered into

1708
01:32:32,239 --> 01:32:26,650
the desert floor at what's called ridley

1709
01:32:35,069 --> 01:32:32,249
that's a number two one may 22 1953 and

1710
01:32:38,040 --> 01:32:35,079
that's the first time i ever saw

1711
01:32:40,290 --> 01:32:38,050
what people are now calling Matt Heidi

1712
01:32:44,909 --> 01:32:40,300
Hollis by the way I guess I wrote a book

1713
01:32:48,629 --> 01:32:44,919
on it called shadow beings I didn't know

1714
01:32:50,489 --> 01:32:48,639
about that until I saw it and and I was

1715
01:32:52,859 --> 01:32:50,499
worried because I could be cut off to my

1716
01:32:54,239 --> 01:32:52,869
Jeep which was miles away and I was

1717
01:32:55,399 --> 01:32:54,249
loaded with equipment on the side of a

1718
01:33:00,719 --> 01:32:55,409
rocky Butte

1719
01:33:04,859 --> 01:33:00,729
anyway after finding the landed landing

1720
01:33:07,020 --> 01:33:04,869
site both the engineer who went back to

1721
01:33:08,819 --> 01:33:07,030
his job and then later they did the

1722
01:33:13,219 --> 01:33:08,829
mariana trench thing and he's in a ship

1723
01:33:16,919 --> 01:33:13,229
above Cameron went down at all Asif

1724
01:33:19,939 --> 01:33:16,929
after he got a he got a craft over his

1725
01:33:22,879 --> 01:33:19,949
house he doesn't live where I live okay

1726
01:33:28,109 --> 01:33:22,889
and I go out back and I got this thing

1727
01:33:31,049 --> 01:33:28,119
low right at sunset edits and it came

1728
01:33:33,479 --> 01:33:31,059
across the valley floor I have Mountain

1729
01:33:35,850 --> 01:33:33,489
six miles from me and a valiant men nine

1730
01:33:38,969 --> 01:33:35,860
miles to the west six miles to the east

1731
01:33:41,790 --> 01:33:38,979
it's beautiful okay this thing came and

1732
01:33:44,819 --> 01:33:41,800
I ran in I got a camera I watched you

1733
01:33:47,279 --> 01:33:44,829
for five minutes and okay bekata was

1734
01:33:49,949 --> 01:33:47,289
gone but it wasn't dead moved it was

1735
01:33:50,939 --> 01:33:49,959
closed and it made kind of a horseshoe

1736
01:33:53,279 --> 01:33:50,949
cut too

1737
01:33:57,060 --> 01:33:53,289
north and back around and come right

1738
01:33:59,219 --> 01:33:57,070
over what I call my back guard and it

1739
01:34:02,810 --> 01:33:59,229
just stopped there and it's triangular

1740
01:34:07,020 --> 01:34:02,820
and this thing rotated it and it didn't

1741
01:34:11,069 --> 01:34:07,030
for Forge on there it didn't fly it's

1742
01:34:12,449 --> 01:34:11,079
lit like a hockey got ice okay no Harry

1743
01:34:13,739 --> 01:34:12,459
unfortunately I'm gonna have to

1744
01:34:15,870 --> 01:34:13,749
interrupt you here because we're almost

1745
01:34:18,359 --> 01:34:15,880
at the end of the program but one of our

1746
01:34:20,969 --> 01:34:18,369
listeners know just real quick where

1747
01:34:25,350 --> 01:34:20,979
they can find more about you a website

1748
01:34:30,569 --> 01:34:25,360
books things like that ww Kingman UFO

1749
01:34:33,259 --> 01:34:30,579
crashes calm and I'm on Facebook and and

1750
01:34:39,629 --> 01:34:33,269
how about the how about you John

1751
01:34:44,189 --> 01:34:39,639
Facebook yes I am on Facebook just under

1752
01:34:46,259 --> 01:34:44,199
my name John Peel and I don't really

1753
01:34:47,969 --> 01:34:46,269
talk very much about this although as I

1754
01:34:50,009 --> 01:34:47,979
found it very intriguing and it

1755
01:34:53,250 --> 01:34:50,019
certainly is interesting I have a

1756
01:34:54,959 --> 01:34:53,260
certain group of people that ask me

1757
01:34:56,459 --> 01:34:54,969
questions all the time but for the

1758
01:34:58,410 --> 01:34:56,469
general public I don't post it on

1759
01:35:00,449 --> 01:34:58,420
Facebook yeah however well well I be

1760
01:35:04,589 --> 01:35:00,459
right maybe we should because the

1761
01:35:10,739 --> 01:35:04,599
reality is very simple there are others

1762
01:35:14,009 --> 01:35:10,749
around us and we some of us are aware

1763
01:35:16,319 --> 01:35:14,019
that they're here you may be you bet you

1764
01:35:18,989 --> 01:35:16,329
you may have you certainly may have the

1765
01:35:20,729 --> 01:35:18,999
proof if anybody does anyway I'll be

1766
01:35:23,459 --> 01:35:20,739
posting some photographs and I am going

1767
01:35:25,799 --> 01:35:23,469
to look for the missing prints that I

1768
01:35:27,120 --> 01:35:25,809
have and of course you couldn't find

1769
01:35:30,359 --> 01:35:27,130
what did you photographs in the book

1770
01:35:34,680 --> 01:35:30,369
that that I did call the case for UFO

1771
01:35:37,080 --> 01:35:34,690
crashes from urban legend to reality the

1772
01:35:39,899 --> 01:35:37,090
earlier edition was the middle hangar 18

1773
01:35:44,160 --> 01:35:39,909
and don't forget our YouTube channel mr.

1774
01:35:48,060 --> 01:35:44,170
UFO secret files and Harry and John and

1775
01:35:51,330 --> 01:35:48,070
Tim and Tina and Peter good night to one

1776
01:36:00,070 --> 01:35:51,340
and all and keep looking up and running

1777
01:36:06,430 --> 01:36:02,530
you've been listening to exploring the

1778
01:36:07,320 --> 01:36:06,440
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1779
01:36:10,150 --> 01:36:07,330
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1780
01:36:13,060 --> 01:36:10,160
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1781
01:36:15,130 --> 01:36:13,070
non-stop across the cosmos in search of

1782
01:36:18,950 --> 01:36:15,140
the truly bizarre and totally

1783
01:36:21,460 --> 01:36:18,960
unexplained with you as their combined

1784
01:36:25,940 --> 01:36:21,470
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1785
01:36:29,390 --> 01:36:25,950
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1786
01:36:32,630 --> 01:36:29,400
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1787
01:36:35,330 --> 01:36:32,640
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1788
01:36:38,540 --> 01:36:35,340
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1789
01:36:44,570 --> 01:36:38,550
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1790
01:36:55,610 --> 01:36:44,580
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